Maybe a stupid question...

[mreynolds55]

When you say fungus gnats, I assume you mean the kind that ride in with the soil on potted plants. They feed & breed there and wouldn't bite frog or man. Yeah, if the frog gets ahold of one,it's not much of a meal, but...bon appetit!
M.

[alex1976]

My GTF's are pretty tame too. The moment I put my hand in there they think it's feeding time and start jumping on my hand. The only ones that don't yet are the two smaller ones that I've only had for a few months now.

[knighty]

its a misconseption to think that frogs become TAME, they simply associate your hands with food.

i brought a 10w red night light for my red eyes, and when i turn it on they respond, so they can obviously still see some red, that or the change in light makes ther pupils respond, so i dont think it is possible to light the tank at night without there being some reaction, unless the red light is to be on through the entire night cycle.

[froggsong]

So, umm, how do you tame any animal if not with food? ::shuts mouth for the duration::

[knighty]

there is a difference between tame and just an association with food, a tamed animal, dog for example will come to you and show affection without just looking for food. the only reason a frog will come to your hand is because it thinks there is food to be taken.

[froggsong]

That's your opinion. I don't agree, and now I'm done because I don't want to get into an argument with you because it would be inappropriate.

How long have you been keeping frogs?

[knighty]

well if you count the time as i kid i spent keeping frogs, newts and toads with my dad, then add the time i have had my own collection i would say some were around 5 years. i have read well over 20 books and have spent so long reading on the web my eyes have become square!

back to the taming descusion (im sure as adults we can keep it as that) i dont think a frog has the ability to fully become tame as there only connection with us is food. they may settle down and become less panicky but take a pac man frog for example, no matter how much hand feeding you do trying to get him "tame", show your hand without food and they will try to nip you because they just assume there is food, its a response the same if you was to feed out of the same dish, they would be all over that when you put it in.

im not saying that frogs dont reconise who you are, or respond to you, all im saying is that i do not think a frog tames in the same respect as a parrot, dog or cat does.

[froggsong]

To start, I just want you to know that I was asking how long you had been keeping them to make sure that the advice/info you a presenting has some factual background in experience as well as reading.

Second, it is hard not to argue with you because you seem a little pompous. (I am NOT trying to insult, but merely explaining why I can't seem to get along with you.) When you post it ALWAYS seems like you are talking down to people, and yes, it is hard to convey tone through text, but when you add an emoticon that is rolling it's eyes, it really does confirm that the response was meant to come off like you think you are talking to a stupid person. Again, I am explaining myself and not trying to insult you.

As for the taming discussion, I think that it is way off topic for this thread, and as such should be moved to another. I will start it in the "Frogs" section if you would like to continue the discussion.

[knighty]

i have no problems with peolpe asking how long i have been keeping frogs, i see it as part of a conversation that occurs all the time between people on forums.

i am sorry if i come accross pompous (which is hard not to take as an insult) but i have had no other problems with my posts in other forums, however again i apollogise if i sound of key, i do not mean to.

the reason for the emoticon was that in your post at 11.14 at the end of your post it says ::shuts mouth for the duration:: and i took that as a poke. there is bound to be conflcts and clashes of opinion on forums, but i try my best to stay on track, however i do find it hard to as your first post on this thread seemed like you was still carrying a grudge from a previous post, were again you took my advice/criticsm badly.

[froggsong]

I was not carrying any grudge when I posted to this thread, I am not that petty. Nor was I aiming a "poke" at you when I said ::shuts mouth for the duration::. What I meant by that was that I did not want to have an argument with you.

I tried to settle the matter that you referred to (the grudge you think I have) in private, but you apparently ignored my PM. Or is it that you would rather do it in public, rather than settling things more appropriately in private?

I have actually taken the time to read all of the posts you have made to the forum. Very few of them offer anything but rude criticism. This is not a "criticize me" forum, it is an "offer me advice" forum. If you can't offer CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, don't offer it. If you offer criticism, be prepared to get it back.

My issue with you is NOT that you don't like that I have a mixed tank. My issue with you is that you are rude. You are not just rude to me, you are rude to other people. I really don't think it is an issue of confusing tone because of what you say being in type, I think you are just rude, and that you think you know more than everyone else. That everyone but you is wrong. There may be other people that will just look the other way and be nice to you, but when you are rude to everyone, I'm going to say so.

I just got done reading every single post you have made, and in the beginning, you were more polite, but now, almost all of your posts are rude. There was one post where someone very nicely suggested how you could take a better picture in response to you saying you couldn't get one that was not blurry and you were rude. There was one time that someone did not parrot your opinions and suggestions and you responded with "people like you real piss me off jumping in a thread trying to dissagree with all that has been said.....". I quite agreed with his response to you, as what you said was ENTIRELY uncalled for.

There were also posts of yours that I entirely agreed with, though they were few and far between. I actually gave you positive feedback a couple of days ago right after the disagreement we had on me keeping my FBT with my squirrel frogs.

If you could try to be more polite when you post, I would have no problem with you. The only reason I have said anything at all is because I feel that you present your opinions as fact, are rude when anyone contradicts you, and when someone offers advice that is factual you counter with an opinion.

BTW, THIS is terrible advice:
"if enough food is provided to hunt they will be fine in any tank, just remember the bigger the tank the more food... think of the size of the rain forest, they live and breed there."
Crickets will EAT a frog if not eaten themselves unless food is provided in the cage for them. They will seek out a nice, soft, yummy frog to eat if there is nothing else. They will burrow into the substrate and hide where you will not likely be able to find them. Unless you provide food for the crickets, you should NEVER feed more than the frogs will be able to eat, regardless of the size of the tank. Also, yes, they live and breed in the rainforest, but we keep them in a very small environment, not in the entire rainforest. This is one of those things you are presenting as a FACT that is NOT. Please, there are ALOT of newbies that come here, make sure what you are saying is true. Every piece of advice you give you should weigh in your mind, and if it is even possible that someone may come to the forum and post that they had something horrible happen because of your advice, you should refrain from posting it.

I will admit, I overreacted to a thread someone posted recently, I mistook what he said and associated it with something that he had nothing to do with. I explained myself and apologized, publicly. I have not done it again.

Now, I don't want to have to have this discussion in public anymore. If you have any responses, can we please use the PM system? If you have some defense you want to post here so everyone can see, that's fine, but it really isn't appropriate to have this discussion in the public forum, especially on someone else's thread.