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the potential harm the wrong product would cause seems to make it a moot point. if i can get enough protein from grinding up dog food, then why risk it? however, i am going to research this stuff and try to come up with a viable cricket food. any resources would be greatly appreciated!
thanks for your replies! and feel free to debate this, just try not to get any blood on the carpet
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0.1.1 Bombina orientalis
0.0.2 Aneides lugubris
0.1.0 Parakeet
1.0.0 cat
Way too many plants (150 species at last count)
probably best to check vitamins/ingredients on label of quality duster and post them for best search results... some of these links are better than others, but they are there for reference and to help complete your studies... has been a good study for me... thank you... good topic and alot of links in one place now... i just need direction to accomplish things sometimes!!!
beckdg, something tells me you are over-educated on yourself and under-educated on science. I would go through your words but there are so many. The point on "dogs" was their lack of understanding in such a profitable and well studies animal. Your focus is on markets and GNC grade proteins and only the fact that protein is for muscle. You probably do not know protein is an antioxidant. My points where to simplify this. You want to sound educated go ahead, but your copy paste and re-research of your half azzed studies when you played sports be my guest, and if people buy your brilliant mind bluff then that's on them.
i was a personal trainer in high school and now have kidney problems! that is how i know... better safe than sorry... it will work for some time probably... but these problems are the type that build up slowly and silently until it's too late leaving you seemingly healthy as a horse till all hell breaks loose.
How old are you? The products out now are much different and there is not a steroid bowl in the locker rooms any more. Can you prove this was your protein, and what brand was it, what was the actual break down of ingredients. Did you take 100% Whey isolate or was it actually a weight gainer?
protein pairs and some halves can combine with others making useless pairs which in turn results in loss of muscle mass due to reduced availability of not only the proteins in the bottle but also the ones your body makes naturally... this increases protein in the bloodstream and waste which in turn worst case scenario can totally shut down your kidneys suddenly... this is science here... no lab rats for me...
This is due to bad quality, bad ratio. A balance of essential amino acids is necessary for a high degree of net protein utilization, which is the mass ratio of amino acids converted to proteins to amino acids supplied. You can try and eat for this, or take 20 years of study proving whey is the best and most balanced source if confined to only whey without by products common in old formulas. To me your issues like many OLD studies are other products i.e. increased carbs, calcium, bad protein source, steroids, other supp's etc contaminating this study of protein due to outdated "filtration" process.
Also don't forget, your first minimal amount of whey would offset what your body makes, and for that ANY protein given even if low quality plant protein(that would actually increase this scenario). After that, all whey consumed has a perfect balance or as close to perfect in our menu and so is NOT released into the bloodstream in numbers that would cause this kidney failure. Maybe by products of your high carb weight gainer or low grade whey with excess calcium and like ingredients can cause this?
BUT I can't say that the extra amino acids in whey are needed by herps. lol so the debate goes on.
With this said, it has grown into a debate of protein(whey) and your outdated facts, but fact still remains that food close to the natural diet if not altered by man most likely fits the job unless we create something better...and there will need to be proof of this before anyone agrees. Then it will take 15 more years for old information to die. And your right there are good products already out there...read their ingredients, some have whey protein and we never go to formula as you decided to go into your high school years just as you probably do all the time...just had a flash back of Nepoleon Dynamite, don't tell me how far you can throw a piece of protein filled steak lol I will check back on your response in a week or so, this will give you time to create a smart response and do include your life story again.
beckdg, something tells me you are over-educated on yourself and under-educated on science. I would go through your words but there are so many. The point on "dogs" was their lack of understanding in such a profitable and well studies animal. Your focus is on markets and GNC grade proteins and only the fact that protein is for muscle. You probably do not know protein is an antioxidant. My points where to simplify this. You want to sound educated go ahead, but your copy paste and re-research of your half azzed studies when you played sports be my guest, and if people buy your brilliant mind bluff then that's on them.
interesting... almost not worth a response... where's your info... i copy and paste for others sake... not my own... i do read it, review it and post it, but it is far from my knowledge extent!!! noone asked about dogs... and furthermore, you're now saying that we don't know everything about protein... kinda feeds right into my debate!!! who focused on markets... rather who changed the focus to markets??? who said they played sports??? mind bluff... funny i looked up things to support your claims first and that's when i found what i posted! sounds like a bunch of opinion by someone with a pre-disposition for whey products to me!
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How old are you? The products out now are much different and there is not a steroid bowl in the locker rooms any more. Can you prove this was your protein, and what brand was it, what was the actual break down of ingredients. Did you take 100% Whey isolate or was it actually a weight gainer?
31... but irrelevant as my brother just finished high school and had me check out the products he uses also... wish i could remember the lab he uses. also there is still a steroid bowl in the locker room... just now the coaches don't provide them anymore... the kids are well enough informed nowadays and roids are alot more readily available to them... they don't need to get it in the locker room! i took weight gainer for about 3 weeks total... definitely not the issue!!! like i said and you see for yourself whether you like it or not, i do my research... of course it was whey isolate... only the cleanest whey! it's still a crap product with VERY few exceptions!!!
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Originally Posted by bowfingered
This is due to bad quality, bad ratio. A balance of essential amino acids is necessary for a high degree of net protein utilization, which is the mass ratio of amino acids converted to proteins to amino acids supplied. You can try and eat for this, or take 20 years of study proving whey is the best and most balanced source if confined to only whey without by products common in old formulas. To me your issues like many OLD studies are other products i.e. increased carbs, calcium, bad protein source, steroids, other supp's etc contaminating this study of protein due to outdated "filtration" process.
Also don't forget, your first minimal amount of whey would offset what your body makes, and for that ANY protein given even if low quality plant protein(that would actually increase this scenario). After that, all whey consumed has a perfect balance or as close to perfect in our menu and so is NOT released into the bloodstream in numbers that would cause this kidney failure. Maybe by products of your high carb weight gainer or low grade whey with excess calcium and like ingredients can cause this?
a bad ratio might be an issue... but you can bet your life that it was not all the other factors you mention from supplements... i don't really like carb containing foods that much and never really supplemented with anything else you mentioned for any period to speak of. perfect balance... wow that should not have been used in this argument unless you can tell me and everyone else what a perfect balance is... and for what animal!!! the excess calcium came from my body and maybe from cheese... it's the only explanation possible given my diet prior other than the "perfect" supplements ie. whey i took!
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Originally Posted by bowfingered
With this said, it has grown into a debate of protein(whey) and your outdated facts, but fact still remains that food close to the natural diet if not altered by man most likely fits the job unless we create something better...and there will need to be proof of this before anyone agrees. Then it will take 15 more years for old information to die. And your right there are good products already out there...read their ingredients, some have whey protein and we never go to formula as you decided to go into your high school years just as you probably do all the time...just had a flash back of Nepoleon Dynamite, don't tell me how far you can throw a piece of protein filled steak lol I will check back on your response in a week or so, this will give you time to create a smart response and do include your life story again.
outdated facts... of course this is where the debate goes... YOU refuse to debate a few things... i have stated some seemingly unrelated issues to directly debate word for word the poppy cock you refuse to let go... apparently the product you use has netted you some good breeders... hence the unfinished website you are putting together... does this mean there is no possible issues... NO! there you go again claiming nature powders up proteins, puts them in a plastic container, puts an air tight seal and a lid on them and then labels and ships them all around the world... if you were really that into nature, maybe you could suggest how to get needed calcium into your geckos without manufactured products... they do fine in the wild... once again how can nature provide for us... not how can we manufacture and provide nature... that is funny how to throw a steak... while you're at it throw a hotdog down a hallway for me! sorry about the story guys but it was relevant... i've had the negative experiences due to these products and i thank god every day that NATURE manufactured them for me... nothing like a month in a hospital bed to get your story straight... you're welcome for the added research... it was intended to help heweshort as you seemingly don't care to list the products you use for research... maybe we can debate specifics... maybe you won't list them making this as heweshort already stated a moot point! if you decide to list them maybe you can change my mind on your specific products... you will not however change the facts that most products of this nature do more harm than good... you are right these extra ingredients are usually the problem... but not my case, i assure you that!
the only thing regulating these products is consumers like you and i that refuse to buy bad products and info available (or freakin joe weider[for the body builders])... your educating people to your loyalty to these products can push people into buying them... without you naming a product and instead insisting these products are safe completely works against what society needs... give useful info not just a bunch of opinion... i did that and apparently you did not like it... although researching recipes for reptiles was kinda new... researching how aminos work is not necessary for me either... regardless the man asked for help and you have hindered that attempt so far... post info he could use and your attempts to justify your original rude and ignorant finger pointing post might become of some use... i would have no problem agreeing with you on a specific product if it checks out... but lumping these guys all together without considering the reprocussions others might have to deal with for taking your advice is outa hand and ridiculous... this forum is where many people come to find help and this is not helping... also backing up your claims still may lead to you winning this debate... it will however not be won on the basis of whey in general... only by specific products.
I read, got bored then used the toilet. Came back, the dog had to use the yard. Then I had to go tell my girl about "this guy" with a laugh. Is that enough info for why I was browsing lol...ok now I should actually try and comprehend this.
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