Whey protein in cricket food? - Page 3

bowfingered · #21 (**permalink**) 02-17-2009, 12:26 PM

Alright I am back. I am sorry if I came off like a jerk in the first post. I have used better whey products and made my selections based on quality of product and not for solely muscle gaining purposes. The product I use is isolate and in the 99% range while basic isolate products can go as low as 90%, what you might see in many "markets". Also weight lifters are not the only investors of this product, people with bad immune systems and/or degenerative diseases are major consumers with the need for a product with little waist as their bodies are the most sensitive to excessive anything. Yes you can get bad whey just as you can get bad milk and milk products. As I said before, many of these products for the herp industry do contain whey. I am using right now Total Bites by Nature Zone for gutloading my cricket and its second ingredient is whey. I use different "shake n' bake" options and many times those product contain whey. I have been doing this before my cyrtodactylus collection, producing babies in species not commonly bred at the time.
As for the comment about an unfinished website, it goes to show I can't speak on little proof. If you can fly to Malaysia and explore the oldest forests and find what some of the best scientists specific to our field can not do, I would be happy to post your study. I personally spend hours trying to figure things out in my private collection, but would never publish information I have not proven with long term success. My goal with the site was to get the ball rolling and trigger at least an interest in what needs to be looked into by more people than myself. Enough on that subject.
By the way not trying to "win" the debate, trying to stop assumptions from disrupting someones interest in a good product.
I still think you have this focus that protein is only for building muscle (the Arnold / gecko comment). Protein use can act as an enzyme, messenger to regulate biological processes, transporters and play regulatory roles. This is all by the globular proteins (whey). You use of proteins for leg only etc. would be using other non-whey proteins even if derived from milk. You can't get that in different whey proteins, you only get more or less byproducts but the same protein, unless you get bad processing and damaged protein i.e. heat damage. I have seen some slower absorption proteins that might fit your description (seen them only in weight lifting products) and passed them up at least for my needs.
Now that you have researched me...its time I go work on me so you don't find anything else wrong lol

beckdg · #22 (**permalink**) 02-17-2009, 02:05 PM

nice to see you back... sorry if i came off like a jerk in response. if you use straight whey... please enlighten us on the brand... i believe this was the original question... exactly, markets are not exactly the best source and if your favored product can be found in the market, most likely you can get it in a purer form from a lab or a cheaper price from a wholesaler... hewes is a business owner with possibly business related interests... he will be held accountable... i know weight lifters are not the only investors, but the easiest to refer to and most likely recognized... also i did not only train body builders... i used proteins for many purposes and end results also... milk is regulated and good whey can change their ingredients without notice and no legal repercussions... you cannot get a prescription for whey that i know of... we all know about dusting here... and apparently whey is in them... as we see here it may not be the same whey you see in the markets... we must err on the side of caution regardless... i know you've used whey for your geckos b4... that's apparent... but what brand WHEY do you use, not what products do you use with it in them... many people are also finding new found success in breeding animals that wouldn't otherwise do so in captivity... it is not just one factor for most of these pets... i am sure you have had to meet many of their needs, but the fact is we are producing more and more things for so many different reasons and while they help us get further in life some things just aren't natural... some we have almost no choice, some we do, but i'd get something regulated better in most cases if i had a choice... cheerios is regulated much better and have you seen what's in them... 8% sodium by daily allowance b4 milk and it is supposed to be heart healthy... it is but for who's heart??? are you suggesting you've traveled to malaysia??? i am posting what i know... i am not following you there. i think it's great you have a website... i think you should start some care and faq info at the least... if you're having problems with your site, maybe darc can help you out... he apparently helped kryrah and her new site was up in a couple days... i however know how enough to build my own site also and don't need the help of a program or a template (i am not accusing you as i have not checked out your coding)... interest has been sparked... those are nice pics of good specimens on your home page... well done! i don't want to try and win a debate either... it is a debate though and at the end there is usually a winner... it just happens and i realize that... sorry if you took that any other way... i am not focused on one thing when it comes to protein... but fact is how it works... i explained it in lamens terms in an earlier post and if degeneration of tissue due to lowered immune system is an issue than rebuilding that tissue is vital, but protein is nowhere near an end all cure all, for animals like me excess proteins cause big problems and it's not my species it is an individual thing... all of your organs are muscle no matter what, protein will help rebuild them, once again that is common sense... as for the arnold thing, it was just a funny pic in my head... visualize it... one muscle bound gecko taking the others lunch money and then being voted into office only to be dubbed the geckonator... yes proteins can do all these things but some functions are better carried out by other antioxidants... aminos bond easily and quickly and almost need to be torn apart for lack of a better description... check out your labels on PURE WHEY, not whey in something else... grab 5 or six different name brands and you tell me that 1) they all contain the same proteins and 2) those proteins are in the same numbers... it's more like fertilizer than milk... milk is pretty consistant... now that i've researched you... that's great, lol... i clicked on the links provided by you and happened across another where you were on another site where you have 1700+ posts... figuring you claim so much about whey, i thought maybe i'd learn something... searched THE SITE, not YOUR POSTS for the word whey... got 1 return... it was not you... took about 30 seconds... you have some improvements to make lol.

down to brass tax... i have a feeling you can be helpful around here regardless of this debate... i don't think you came off the right way in your first post and we've both been big ole meanies since then... i respect your outlook on things, but i also feel you are missing/omitting, or just didn't get something... the original question was about GNC sparking a thought on WHEY... just whey... not whey in dust or gut load... i posted a bunch of recipes and some info on what to look out for... hewe actually seems to want to know how to make a good homemade healthy brew... if you know or can find anything, i'm sure he'd greatly appreciate it... this debate has been invigorating, i appreciate that, but please, if you are going to post again at least help hewe along the way... he can use it as this may be alot of research and he seems to be a stickler on product safety the same as i can be... that will make it harder for him if he gets down to raw materials.

bowfingered · #23 (**permalink**) 02-17-2009, 03:32 PM

I am getting you more, but this statement "milk is pretty consistant" makes me wonder again. Really? And the idea that the FDA is here for you? I can get a milk product with properties or actually ratios known to cause health issues at every "market" and at the same time buy the same product, different farm/grade etc. that will actually be good for your health. Milk is by no means consistent and caries no label to all nutrients just an approved label given to all in its category.
As for my website, good research. I don't pay for this, I pay for my business website, then this was a throw in and a project for fun so I don't need to grow it into some outstanding site for your sake lol. Don't worry I have the programs needed to make it into something bigger, I can write "beckdg is a jerk off" and have it up in two seconds...but is it worth my time? Even this debate is getting boring if you can spout half truths and call them facts. I wish I knew of a forum I had 1,700 posts, someone must really like me to steal my identity to pawn off as me.

Next time throw in 10 lies/false information and 5 reasonable questions, that will give me 10 more explanations of wasted text to focus on and pick apart with 10 more of your "science...no lab rats". Who is taking us away from the subject? My focus has been on whey, yours has been on winning.

As far as my Whey, I will save the name brand as I am sure you will come back with bunk info just to win your debate. But I will tell you about its properties, I did my research already before your post, this is not a research new topic like you do.
My whey uses cross flow microfiltration and ion-exchange for long and short chain peptides increasing protein retention (HBV). This is as good as it gets as far as I have found, the only thing is there are enzymes removed in the process. The good thing is enzymes are replaced and this allows for a better absorption.
I would come up with a home mix like you request, but I am not an expert by any means and I should take you back to once again my last sentence of the first post and go to the gutload I use, it has whey, is widely used in the community and so forget home use, go buy those green cubes. Does this answer all of your questions? I hope so cuz I got myself a life to get back to. We can talk when you let loose all those anxieties built up inside you...go look at the ottocinclus (Otocinclus) for a while suck algae off your plants.

beckdg · #24 (**permalink**) 02-17-2009, 04:18 PM

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