My new Viv..

[winyfrog1]

Okay, I am in need of some advice. I have decided to keep azures or leucomelas (both if they are compatable).

I have a 44 gallon hex and a 72 gallon bow, which would be the best set up for them? and how many could I keep?

thanks for your help.

[Jumpshot724]

I'm pretty sure they're incompatible species. If I'm not mistaken, Leucomelas are larger than Azeurus and that in itself would cause a problem.

PDFs don't require that much space, given their size. It depends on how many you want to keep. Also a big factor is that the more you keep, the more space as PDFs can be territorial. I'd say a 44Gal hex could hold maybe 4-6 Leucomels, 6-8 Azeurus. The 72 bow could probably hold 6-10 Leucomels and 10-14 Azeurus.

If I'm way off someone tell me lol.

If you wanted both, I would keep the Azuerus in the 44 and the Leucs in the 72. But that's just me

[rollei]

D. Azureus are very territorial. I would not recommend putting more than 4 frogs in a 44. If you're going to have D. Azureus, I would use the 72 for more space and less dying. BTW, where are you getting the D. Azureus?

[RecycledAgain]

Rollei is correct about the Azures. As youngsters they will be fine, but down the road you will probably run into wrestling. The luecs will be the most social of the two. If your are interested in a large number of frogs I would use the bow front. The luecs while primarily terrestrial will use the whole tank, they will aggressively climb every where when they are young, not so much as they get older. I would say 10 -15 frogs are acceptable for the 72 gal.

However, It sounds as if you are just starting out with PDF. From the looks of your signature I think you will take to Pdfs well, its really less complicated and less work than the aquariums.

My advice is to use the 44 hex, with 3 luecs, Start slow. Decide if the darts are going to be a good addition to your home. It will be better for all especially the frogs, if you learn about their needs and behaviors from a smaller tank and a smaller group. I don't suggest a large group of frogs just starting out , it can breed complications that may be missed by novice and experienced keepers alike.

Compatibility will be an issue, I'm afraid mixing will be a problem for all involved.

Dan

[winyfrog1]

I have kept RETF in the past, but wanted some frogs that I could enjoy during the day. Now I guess I just need to decide which one's to go with. I am new to Dart Frogs and of course their health is the most important, I figured that I wouldn't be able to mix the species, but it wouldn't hurt to ask right.


I will be using my 72 gallon bow. I have been reading on building a healthy vivarium, which I want to make as close to their environment as possible. Any suggestions on some good builds and ideas would be greatly appreciated. I am leaning toward using a false bottom, this seems like the best way to keep the water cleaner. Pro's and Cons please.

Thanks for you help

[winyfrog1]

Originally Posted by rollei

D. Azureus are very territorial. I would not recommend putting more than 4 frogs in a 44. If you're going to have D. Azureus, I would use the 72 for more space and less dying. BTW, where are you getting the D. Azureus?

The last thing I want is for them to die. I have not decided where to get them yet, I believe my first step is to set their viv up first and get that established.

Do you have suggestions on where I could get some healthy D. azures or D. leocomelas?

[RecycledAgain]

Give me an idea of where you live, I'm sure I can point you in the right direction.
Many places will even ship the frogs as well. Just click on the sponsor links.

Dan

[winyfrog1]

I live in St George, Utah about 2 hours from Las Vegas.

[RecycledAgain]

These folks are out of Arizona and they will mail frogs if temps permit.
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Dan

[winyfrog1]

Thanks