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Old 06-11-2010, 01:25 AM
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Default Texas Breeders for Poison Dart frogs?

I was curious if anyone knew of someone in DFW area that specialized in breeding Poison Dart frogs. Or for that matter, live in DFW area and be selling any accessories to get started.

Basically doing all my research and reading, and asking questions before I make my purchases. I plan on waiting on buying anything till I have a solid idea in mind and know that its fool proof.
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Old 06-11-2010, 01:50 AM
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OK to my understanding I use titebond III ultimate wood glue and mix in my substrate in a bucket and get it at just the mix, and then apply to the foam material?

I found out what GS means, Great stuff, the foam stuff that expands.

My next question is if I am going to add a water feature, what should I be concerned about, i.e. water leaks, or would that be a concerned if I am using egg crate for false bottom with a mesh screen to prevent substrate from falling through

I was also told I can throw those black charcoal activated frogs in bottom to help purify the water, is this true?
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Old 06-11-2010, 07:22 AM
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You have Vivarium Concepts just out side of Dallas, here is the link.

Poison Dart Frogs | Food Fruit Flies Supplies Vivarium Terrarium Moss Habitats | Wood Vine Cork Tubes | Consultation Sales by Vivarium Concepts

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are they still open though? I already contacted them and I had a problem, I can try again.
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Old 06-11-2010, 06:17 PM
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no reason to feel stupid and it's understandable you'd have a lot of questions at this point.

have you checked the prices on dart frogs yet? i've seen them sold for anywhere from $10 to sky's the limit. i will say that $10 is a lot less likely than $100 each.

definitely stick with one species from one local. these guys are quickly becoming threatened in the wild and it might be sooner than later that hobby specimens might be the only thing left. it would be a shame if none of them were true to wild form at that point from cross breeding. let alone the risk you take when you mix species.

you have a lot of questions your answers will not come overnight. understanding them would be a daunting task even for the most intelligent person so fast.

i would definitely get yourself a fruit fly culture and seed your tank with springtails as soon as the tank is planted/finished and ready to establish itself so you have adequate food and experience breeding food for them when they arrive.

for now i would start out with a small build and see how it goes. it will cost you much less in materials to make your mistakes on. once it's established you can pick up 1 or 2 darts to stock it with and start on another tank while you familiarize yourself with things.

definitely look up quarantine and lamisil treatment... chytrid treatment... as well as fecal testing and such. rich frye has touched on the subjects a bit over on dartfrogz.com. dr. frye (riches brother) could help with fecals also.

do not trust anybody at a local pet store until their info is verified and triple checked. not that every pet store or employee is horrible just that people there are typically low paid and just making do. chances are they don't know half of what they're forced to answer on a daily basis.

not wire mesh... fiberglass replacement screen for windows.

abg soil mix is common for darts. many people utilize bromeliads for them also.

6500k lighting should be good for most plants. special lighting for the frogs should be unnecessary with the right supplements.

try to email viv concepts. most of the time online sellers are more responsive to emails because they can get back to you when they have a chance to.

water leaks would depend on your design. if you design it with a f/b you shouldn't need to worry. if you choose a separate reservoir for your waterfall and it leaks to the soil side that can be an issue. either way darts like it wet so i wouldn't worry so much at this point about that.

not familiar with the activated carbon frogs. activated carbon does help keep water clear of organics and smelling clean but with moving water and dart frogs it's probably not necessary.

you are pretty much correct with the tightbond method.

definitely check out the stickies in all the forums on this site. you'll learn a lot in no time. also utilize the search function to the best of your abilities whenever possible. it's probable you'd find the answers to your questions before anybody could respond. i'll leave you with this link. it should have more info than you'll want to look through but is a great resource imho... how it's done... favorite links thread

i did merge your threads and i know it makes it hard to look through but it's easier this way in general i think. i've done what i can to answer your questions. hopefully i didn't miss too much and i've helped clear some things up. welcome to the site.
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Thank you, and the 29 gallon sticky was the only one I think that helped me understand. I am a picture kinda guy, pictures help me.

As for Cindy over at Vivarium concepts, one of her emails is not working, that is why I said that. I got a hold of Cindy, and she is willing to sell me 2 tanks 30 bucks a piece with background and some stuff. IT needs some cleaning and they are 29 gallon size, perfect for what I need.

AS for the prices of dart frogs, I never seen em less then 45 bucks, I have a expo coming up and wonder If I should wait to purchase till then.

I plan on going thru Cindy for supplies and blackjungle for plants. As far as my background goes, I will start a post when I am ready with the supplies.

AS of now I am fishing for a tank, at this point I need to find the best tank for my needs.

I posted on craigslist so I am hoping possibly someone locally may be getting out of the hobby in which I can buy out all his supplies for a good rate.

As far as the water feature goes, well It will be somewhat open in regards to what kind of drift wood I can get. Meaning I am hoping to find some good pieces that I can stick to the background that will server as a water fall of some sort.

You are right about the materials and knowledge, so much info to be learn, and yet knowledge is limited as compared to owning a dog. Considering the last 4 days of me reading I feel I have a understanding of what I need.

After talking to Cindy , I felt she was my go to person compared to Pet land, where they were trying to put me in a huge 40 gallon tank for 499+ I rather save my money and by a used tank, that way I can have more spending on plants and supplies.

AS far as cultures goes, well I am going to go thru Cindy for that, I do not think I should have a problem, not being cocky but if you can grow mushrooms indoors then I think will some time and knowledge those cultures should be good.

I do plan on setting up everything and not RUSHING to get a dart frog, If possible I wouldnt mind holding off till the expo, perhaps I can get a better deal.

As far as care goes, it seems I may need to buy that book , and continue to read the sticky's in the forum. I am still learning, but I think I can catch on quick. I hope to provide a journal with pics start to finish.
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i would definitely wait for the expo but if it's soon you might want to skip it so the tank can establish.

everything else sounds good so far. i'd definitely keep looking through things. there's always more to learn.
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also look into fans, foggers, humidifiers, misters and check out josh's frogs, mistking, your local woods and aquarium forums as well for as much material as you can find or handle.

also this might help... good places to buy... please add to it!

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Thanks for mentioning that, I was looking at one of the sites that has been recommended and I was trying to figure out my fan configuration. Where the best place would be to put a waterproof fan at?

From my readings I need the fan inside the unit, blowing air towards the light. I hear this saves electricity, and trouble with condensation. I was also reading to cover the fan with a stocking or something similar to keep the pets from harm's way.

My problem is where to mount it at. I seen the kit at one site, but I wasnt sure how about going to mount it.

AS for the expo, well that gives me plenty of time, I figured if I start on building a tank next week I should have it up and ready by that weekend. Then I will be posting on this site in regards to plants I wanted to purchase. After talking to Cindy, it sounded like I did not have much local, and Black Jungle Store seemed to cater to the plants I would need that can THRIVE without hassle.

At this point I am just working out the kinks but more and more reading and asking questions is allowing my mind to come up with a nice plan.

I promise to include pics and be very detailed with the build.

Back to the expo, I hear sometimes it can be a problem, but should I worry about buying animals from expos? Are they normally better deals or more money since being at a expo? I know some expos vary, but I never been to one, and I was just trying to get a idea. I figured maybe I can buy my frogs from there, and perhaps a few accessories along the way.

I am planning on running 2 29 tanks, If I purchase them from Cindy over at Vivarium concepts.
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mounting would depend on your setup and lighting unit.
there's a thread here by a username "mtupup". it should be one of the stickies. it deals with fan placement, mounting, etc. and how he dealt with it. the basic idea is to form a channel of sorts that removes and returns the same air into the tank. often preferably across the front glass for viewing purposes. whether the light will need a fan will definitely depend on the unit. i think if you choose a good t5, t8 or cfl unit that cooling the lights will likely not be necessary... unless the tank gets too warm. having the lights above the tank (with a little gap) instead of on the tank should really help there and possibly make the difference whether they need cooling or not in many cases. the idea is not to just wrap it with a stocking really. it could help or be the answer for you but the idea really is to keep the animal safe by whatever means necessary. check out the 90 gallon build by marty in the dart frog section (it is a sticky). also check out epiphiles personal gallery (not in the gallery by clicking on his ???name??? and going to his user page... the gallery there) and see how he's circulating his tanks. i believe there's no animals that would get into them so there's more options that way.

i hear good things about expos most of the time honestly. not to sure about frogs or your area specifically though... more reptiles and snakes, though the frogs are certainly there.

i think i'm going to have to take some pictures tomorrow anyway so i might (no promises) reveal my ghetto rigs to give you some ideas.
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