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Old 09-21-2010, 01:10 AM
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Default 20G long - Land Crab Setup - Build Log

It's my first time building something like this, but I've wanted to spruce up a tank for land crabs for awhile now, so here goes.

I'm starting with a 20 gallon long all-glass aquarium (30" x 12" x 12").

Here's a picture of Clip the moon crab (gecarcinus quadratus). The white powdery stuff is just some calci-sand he's been digging in. He's still just a baby. I found him at a reptile breeder show this past weekend, crammed in a small plastic container with 2 other males. That's something you really shouldn't do. I've kept these crabs before, and they're highly territorial - 2 or more in too small a space will result in lost limbs or worse. Clip can back me up on that - when I found him, he was missing 3 legs on one side. Luckily he'll grow them back in the right environment, the next time he molts. I've had crabs regenerate legs before, but I've never started with one missing 3 legs, so hopefully he'll pull through.



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There will be about 3" of brackish water at the bottom. The purple tube in the corner will lead to an external canister filter - I'm thinking of this one from SunSun. I'm planning a waterfall at the opposite end of the tank. Those two circular things in the sketch are abalone shells - I have a couple, and I noticed they have small holes along one side, which I think will make a cool drip effect if I angle them properly.



To the right, I'm thinking of making two levels of sand for burrowing, held in place with glass dividers. I think I'll get the glass cut to size and beveled at a glass cutter's, and I might decide to sandblast it too, for a frosted effect. I'm planning on covering parts of it with slate, but I thought it would be neat to leave some of it translucent to see if I can view some of the crab's burrows that way. The glass dividers won't be solid all the way to the bottom, to make sure water can circulate. There will be a false bottom underneath the sand to make sure there's good drainage.

The brown sections are going to be filled with moss/coco husk/possibly soil. They'll also have false bottoms underneath.

Heat will be provided by a submersible heater, tucked away in the white compartment towards the back-center of the aquarium. The bottom of the white box will be open so that heat can circulate freely through the false bottoms of the other areas and the open water section at the front. To prevent the crab and/or feeder fish from disappearing into the false bottoms, I'm going to make a small moss wall to enclose the open water area - hopefully that will keep the animals out of the false bottoms while letting water circulate through. I'm also going to rig up the lid of the heater box so I can open it up, but the crab can't.

So that's the basic idea I've got at the moment - obviously there will be more to it than this, once I get to the decorating / planting stage.

I think I'm going to rely mainly on glass and slate for the structural pieces of the setup. Since it's a glass aquarium, I think using glass and silicone will make it more durable than trying to incorporate plastic. Land crabs can also be quite destructive as they mature, and I know they can easily pick apart wood and sometimes plastic, but I don't think they'd have such an easy time with glass and slate. I'm also hesitant to use wood for anything structural because I've had problems with mold in the past.

Anyone have any thoughts / ideas / suggestions?
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Old 09-21-2010, 05:56 AM
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i just can't stop thinking about the glass dividers. if it's only dividing land areas it should be able to be done with rocks or something. visible glass dividers are hard to pull off without looking out of place. the right rocks will actually enhance the look whereas glass tends to make even the most gorgeous setup look "forced" together. plus the visibility thing through frosted glass.

if you've had problems with mold adding a fan for air circulation may be the way to go.

your idea sounds fantastic and creative. if it comes out the way i'm envisioning it, it would be a great injustice to see glass barriers.
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I think you're right, it probably will look better made with rock instead of glass. I'll just have to resist the temptation to make burrows that I can see into.

So if I'm going with rock, there's a couple ways I can think of to do it. One would be to still make the barriers out of glass, but then use silicone to cover most of it with rock and then some sort of grout to fill in the cracks (possibly Habacrete, if I can get my hands on some, or else maybe a clay-based one). The other way would be to go skip the glass altogether and go completely with rock - but then it seems like it might be harder to fill in all the cracks.
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the rock doesn't have to be "rocks". check out my favorite links threads and through some of the stickies. there's lots of ways to make rocks, barriers and such.
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This could be a sweet build! Nice idea with the shells using those holes for the waterfall.

As for the land/water devider, personally I would suggest a method I saw on another build somewhere. I cant remember where it was, but if I come across it again I will post a link for you. Basically, the devider was constructed using driftwood as the main structure, then expanding foam was used to fill the gaps between the seperate peices, and the glass. Then the foam was coverd in silicone and different sized rocks, pebbles, sand, and wood chunks were stuck to it in the remaining visible foam sections. It looks very natural and it is relatively simple.

Looking forward to seing this thing come together.

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any update?
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Not yet, no - I'm waiting for summer so that I can do some of the work outside - so it will be awhile.
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