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Old 10-28-2010, 12:24 AM
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Well..

One day I was planning out and constructing a misting/rain system for a Snake Tank

(now by rain I dont mean absolute down pour)
I am setting a system up that not only mists the tank but also causes a natural rain effect (Natural as in the droplets form and fall from the sky / top of the tank)

soo anyways in the process of setting that up I thought well.. I cannot make it rain the way I want in a tank like this (Nowhere for the water to go)

So I started digging into Paludariums and how to setup a Half n Half Tank

I have a 20 Long (12h x 12w x 30l)

After debating on how the heck to do a half and half and try to make it as natural as possible with a 12 in wide tank I decided to go for the Plexi or Lexan divider and to shape it into a curvy more natural looking shoreline

The Tank is divided Long ways with a Lexan peice shaped in about an "S" shap to create essentially a Ying-Yang design by splitting the tank (Photos Below)

This gave me the ability to move the divider back and fourth to decide how much or little Land/Water I wanted and I used a Lexan peice that is 5 inches high to leave around enough room for live plants in land and water

right now only pics I have are the shaped insert setting in the tank

The tank still has dirt / potting soil in it - this was from the first occupants AND serves a purpose currently will explain after last pic





As you can see the tank is split like a Ying Yang Symbol and Im actually thinking of sticking with that theme if I can make it look right (I mean its not a perfect Ying-Yang Shape

And The soil was left in there for a reason... I use a Heat Gun to soften up the Lexan so that I can mold it into the shape I need and the dirt plays a key role in the process

It helps hold the shape AND cools the plastic at the same time

Just mold it up -- set it in the dirt and leave for a few hours and presto a nice shaped lexan for your tank


now that ive covered those basic steps imma outline what I plan

First
sticking with the Yin-Yang theme - I plan to run a small trickle wall or waterfall in the lands corner and have a round pond style area that it runs to then runs into the water side

The round pond would be shallow and in about the spot it would be for a Eye on the Ying-Yang

And on the water side I plan to build or use some sort of Rock pattern in the shape of a circle to be the Eye of the other side of the Ying-Yang

I plan on using a in water heater, filter, and seperate water pump (from a tabletop fountain)

to move a light forced stream of water from the water side to the waterfall
and the water will be filtered thoroughly to ensure if any animals drink from the running stream / pond it will be safe

this is my first ever attempt at this soo... bare with me
hope to keep it updated with photos and info as I go along
Must say I tested some expanding foam a bit back for making a divider but LOL I am not patient enough and I ended up collapsing the foam and making a yellow mucky mess (thank god I tested it in a cheap 7 dollar plastic tub)
which is now cleaned out and used to store craft goods LOL

here is a quick tid-bit on the Ying-Yang

Classic Yin Yang Symbol
this symbol represents the primal opposing but complementary forces found in all things in the universe. Depicted as it is, it also outlines the necessity of balance in all things.

You can see from the photos the basic ying-yang shape -- so if the space permits ill stick with the waterfall pond idea

a few tips for lexan
Not hard to cut when you score one side deep and then stabilize the lexan between 2 peices of wood and with a quick Snap - break the peice along the Score lines

the smaller the peice that harder it is to actuall do this with tiny parts try to get a good grip and snap em cleanly


Gloves are worn because small parts snapping can lead to poking yourself and snapping into your hand -- Did this to my thumb and knuckle already -- Makes a pretty cut
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Old 10-28-2010, 03:32 AM
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tank is cleaned out ready for sealing in the part...

took some measurements and ive got 21.2 inches length, 12 width, and 5 height for the water side

Technically 4 height or so the keep below the physical top of the divider

so thats roughly 5 gallons of water that will be heated, and filtered as well as if I can swing it run through an actual waterfall as well etc..

I dont have any idea of what animals to put in this setup but it will have the ability to house live fish and live reptile / amphibians but I dont know WHAT to put in it when its done

I want an animal thats active preferrably during day and night and would like a warm humid environment with live plants

something fun to watch and not necessarily hold or handle (maybe occasional handling for showing off or moving around when needed)

any advice let me know
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Old 10-31-2010, 08:46 AM
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I had the romantic idea of bending Lexan into a similiar shape for a similar setup--until I found out that you cannot reliably seal Lexan and glass---does not stand up for any extensive period of time. So unless you have a water area that is entirely stand alone and even though inside the 20G, it would have to be like having another "tank" inside it...the seal will eventually break and water will soak the substrate...etc., etc. I've been working with some Lexan on converting a 20G to a vertical and have discovered more than I really wanted to know about adhesives, drilling holes, sanding edges, etc.--not the easiest material to work with...wish I had done more research before I jumped into it...Good luck
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hrmm... ive had it filled with water for a day or so now -- ill let it set more and see what happens -- maybe ill get lucky

im honestly not sure if I have lexan or thin plexiglass .. it wasnt labeled as lexan when i bought it
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I believe that they are both polycarbonates...but trade names. Has anyone out there had long term experience with this situation and mixing of materials...and I agree with Beckdg--a group of firebellies will enjoy the water, you don't have to worry about them drowning, and they are pretty colorful and social with each other..more terrestrial but are really good escape artists...so make sure all exits are covered and put strong packing tape across any "hole" that wires create coming out of the tank....good luck.
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Great advice keep it comming guys..

I have the tank still on the table with water not leaking a drop

I used a bit of a different method when I sealed this in

I sat the divider into the tank just a hair off the bottom - then sealed it in place - before the silicone had set I weighed it down to sink it into the silicone bead further and have it flush against the bottom

so its sealed 100% across the actual bottom of the divider and has a bead sealed across the back edge of the divider like normally done as well as the sides going up the tank of course

will it work in the long term ... ehh I dont really know but it sounded like a good idea to get as tight of a seal as possible LOL

it looks clean and still holds water around the bottom -- the sides i might wanna clean up a bit trim some excess away with a razor especially the side that people would see


Also ....
now that ive done it this way ---- HOW in the world can I hide that ugly seam on front of the tank?

can I just take some black or more dirt/potting soil colored style paint and paint the front of the tank to blend it in?

I have another 20 gallon long soon that imma do some work with too.. soon as I move the snake to its new tank LOL...

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yep... paint the tank on the outside.
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sad thing -- the photos below are from local petco

I thought of doing a desert setup in the other 20g and looked at desert animals

I dont think Geckos are supposed to be in this shape....






The last image is a ball python of course and its shed is horrible
had 4 snakes in the tank

1 fully shed looking excellent - vivid colors real lively looking (can see body in the photo)


1 had a head cap left looked like a lil yammica (sp?)

the other 2 are like in the photo above bad shape - Petco should be ashamed!!
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all those mealies can't be helping chances much, either. surely you'll find healthier animals on-line if you're still interested in a dessert scape.
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