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Old 04-03-2012, 02:06 PM
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Default 150 gallon/6 foot palu...1st time build.

I just recently joined the forums. My only post has been an introduction so far. For the last week or two have been really enjoying reading a lot of the past forums and build logs. I love the possibilities! I currently have two saltwater aquariums as my hobby. I have several children and a wonderful wife that supports my madness(kinda)...lol. My 15 year old son recently started his first 55 gallon tank and was thinking of frogs and opted to go freshwater fish instead. Well, I recently acquired a 150 gallon long tank that had a small chip in it. A couple expert opinions say that "it'd probably be safe to have water in it, but...". I don't want to take the risk. So, 1 + 1 = great opportunity for a paludarium. A project for me to toy around with, expand my hobby, and add the variety of herps that my son loves so much.
I tried to use Google Sketchup to get a visual image on paper of what I'm wanting to do, but can't quite get the hang of operating the program(I feel like an idiot). My hand sketching abilities are just as horrible, but I may try to draw something up anyways that I can share and get some feedback on. I hope to turn this into a slow and careful build log.
In the meantime, while I am still constantly browsing other build logs and trying to sort out more of the build process in my head, then I thought I'd put some of my ideas so far. Any thoughts, tips, warnings, and questions would b greatly appreciated!

-A semi-circle 3 ft. wide in the front, center of the tank for the "pond". 12 inches tall.
-In the far upper right corner, a waterfall flowing side to side a little with GS and pieces of slate. If there is room, allow it to puddle some before it flows "creek-like" into the "pond".
-FB with the eggcrate/pvc method.
-Nontraditional, I know, but I would like to build a model log-cabin and or gazebo on the left side as decoration. It would incorporate stepping stones to the "pond". I've even thought about researching water-tight lighting to light up the cabin and/or front porch as accents.
-I have a 30 gallon sump system that I plan on using for the filtration and power behind the waterfall.
-Along with the cabin scenery, I was thinking of a "pier/dock" that will stick out over the water enough to hide the intake of my filter in the pond.
-I already have what I hope to be my land/water divider. I searched and pondered before finding what is a window well for basement windows. It is sturdy fiberglass or hard plastic. It is 37" wide, 12" tall, and 15" in depth, which allows just a few inches of "land" to run along the backside. I'm still trying to work out the details in my head on the best way to adhere it to the front wall and disguise it. I figured I would add additional support with pvc to brace it against the back and sides while using silicone and maybe some GS to adhere/seal it to the front wall.
-I plan to have a hole drilled in the back near the bottom to allow whatever water seeps through the FB and whatever water leeks from the pond to simply drain down back into the sump tank.
-I have a pretty decent size piece of driftwood I'd like to incorporate into the scenery with the GS BG. I was thinking I may slice it in half to have two visible pieces instead of burying the backside in GS to never be seen.
-Also, on my "land/water" divider, I plan on using GS and/or silicone to adhere river rocks on the outside for a rock wall look. On the inside of the divider, doing the same thing but with something more natural looking for underwater, such as sand/pea gravel mix.
-I'm hoping to ramp up the land portions from the bottom coming up to the rear for terrain and maximum visibility.

Well, there is some of my random thoughts for now. Please feel free to question anything so far to help me work out the mistakes on paper before learning the hard way. Any advice is greatly appreciated!

Thanks, Chris.

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Here is a pic of each of my aquariums...




Unfortunately, they are not very good pics. The pic of my 120 gallon is especially poor.

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After figuring how to upload the pics, then I found a couple that were slightly better or different. Instead of posting an excessive amount of pics on here, then I just uploaded to an album with a few pics in it. Here's the link...
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Old 04-03-2012, 04:26 PM
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Nice fish! especially that lion, ive always wanted a proper marine set up with one of them!! looking forward to seeing the progress of your build!
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Old 04-04-2012, 03:01 PM
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Thanks Crestiezz. I'm kinda partial to my lionfish...he's the king.

Anyone have any suggestions on how to attach/seal my land/water divider to the front glass that won't look too tacky? I'm not overly concerned about it remaining 100% watertight. Obviously, a watertight seal would be nice, but I'm planning on a false bottom that will drain any water to the sump below so some seepage would definitely be manageable. I would love to have something a little more natural up against the front glass. Didn't know if some clear silicone on both sides of a strip of GS with some gravel might be okay. I even thought it'd be nice to have some natural wood pieces sealed in between, but figured it would leak or rot pretty easily as more time passed.

Also, I'm still trying to figure out a decent way to display on here a visual of what I have rattling around in my head. I'm about to break down and buy some Play-doh to make a model of it! Lol.
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Old 04-05-2012, 02:30 AM
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so if what im thinking is right, u have a fiberglass/glass or whatever 3 ft semicircle that is at least 12 in high (u said the water level would be about 1 foot so im assuming that the glass is higher than that). If you dont want the front to look "dirty" with a bunch of silicone connecting the front glass to the fiberglass strip thing (aquarium silicone is the way to go....just go to like a petco or petsmart and they should have aquarium grade silicone that says it is used for reparing or making tanks...really strong stuff), then you could put one cut edge (one of the two things touching the front glass) in the very corner so its not as dirty and angle the semicircle so that the other end is not against the front glass and silicone and support it to another peice of glass that goes straight accross to the other side of the tank....giving the look that the whol front is 12 in of aquarium....looks really good with fish in it.
I hope im being clear enough haha
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Old 04-05-2012, 09:17 AM
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Thanks Jermajesty. I'm pretty sure I have an idea of what you're saying. If at all possible, I'd like to have it somewhat centered in the tank and I believe you are talking about shifting it to one side so one end of it can be somewhat hidden in the existing seam of the corner. I may have to do a design change if I can't come up with a decent solution to attaching both sides to the front wall.
I do already have some aquarium silicone. I hope to pick up some GE silicone this weekend to add to my project supplies. Also, I want to see if I can track down some marine epoxy similar to what I've read on some of these forums.
Hopefully in a few hours I'll take a pic of the divider I'm thinking of using to post on here.
Appreciate the suggestions!
Thanks, Chris.
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Here is a pic of the divider I was thinking of using, then covering with river rock on outside and lining with GS/pea gravel on inside...


A few starter supplies...


And the sump filtration that will pump out as waterfall and get pulled in by "pond". An additional hole will be drilled near bottom of backside to drain back into sump...


Whatcha think? Got potential or recipe for disaster?

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Oh, and here is my kindergarten sketches using the paint program...

Top view...

Front view...

Don't laugh too hard!

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AND...
A waterfall I'd love to be able to mimic...

and a log cabin that I'd love to be able to build a miniature of...
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Old 04-06-2012, 02:18 AM
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Yea im pretty sure u understood what i was saying, but the way you are planning the setup, it doesnt seem like the look you're going for. I would definately use black aquarium silicone for the front connections of the semicircle just to keep it looking clean. (I'm pretty sure u know cause ur into aquariums, but make sure you wipe the excess silicone off of the front glass when you put the semicircle in to add to the cleanliness) If you use great stuff on the inside of the semicircle thing, u have to use aquarium silicone to attach the pebbles and waterproof the GS. The GE silicone is not made for constant underwater use. On the upper, outside of the semicirle, the GE stuff will be fine to attach the river rocks. You might even want to support the rocks some more with some GS depending on how large they are.
I would add the log cabin/gazebo and dock last because they are not important to the workings of the palu. Make the waterfall and seal in the lake first to make sure the water feature is working, filtering, and, most imortantly, not leaking. From there, put in your false bottom and add your substrate...
Its looking good so far.
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Old 04-06-2012, 11:53 AM
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Thanks again Jeremy! I am thinking I may go with a moss wall around the inside wall of the pond now. I did a little reading on it and thought it'd be very nice and somewhat simple. Just takes some time to grow out. In the meantime, I could silicone on something basic like clean sand and/or pea gravel until the moss hides most of it. Also, from what I've read, I thought GE silicone(type I, I believe) is used for underwater use and used for aquarium building and repairs. It seems opinions vary between what is best, GE Type I or II, but it seems that there is nothing to say that either one is unacceptable and/or not safe for underwater use. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Also, I read a tip to lay down tape on both sides of your caulk seam to make the excess mess very easy to remove.
I definitely appreciate all your advice. I do want to get all the mechanics planned, assembled, and tested before going on with the decorative part. I also continue to spend more time planning this out before jumping too hastily into it and having a lot of time and money consumed in reworking(which I'm sure there will still be a fair amount of!). Each day I read more, learn more, and change more!
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As i am sure you know from reef tanks, the silicon you choose needs to be food safe and not contain any microbal properties like some of the GE's
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Yea, I was saying what Mink was talking about....the GE might be physically able to hold up constantly underwater, but they have different chemicals and stuff like that that can leech into the water. I just think that aquarium silicone would be better, but if you think the others are fine...Go for it!!! And that tape idea is genius...i never thought about that haha. I always spend forever just trying to wipe off the excess and make it look good, I'll be saving time from now on
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