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Old 12-02-2009, 08:31 PM
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Question Ants in dart frog paludarium

Hey everyone. Im new to the forum and can be considered fairly new to the hobby.

Ive never tried feeding my dart frogs ants before but thought it would be pretty cool to try eventually. I know that the setup will have to be nearly air tight to prevent the ants from escaping. Dont worry I have a way of maintaning air flow regardless of this.

I was wondering if anyone has ever had luck with trying to create a nearly self sustaining ant farm within a paludarium set up for dart frogs to enjoy?
If so what kind of numbers would be required to start it off?

what type of soil would be good for something like this if any?

Also would the high humidity cause the ants to die off anyway?.... kind of like drowning from the moist air.... it just seems you dont see ants moving around outside when its humid as when its dry.

Or is it just not a good idea to even attempt this since the general thought seems to be that you shouldnt feed your pdf's ants?

Im planning on building a paludarium setup in my now unused 75 gal. and just wondered peoples thoughts on this.

please share your thoughts, ideas, or even skepticism.

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I'm fairly new into this hobby, so take my opinion with a grain of salt please. One can't have a self-sustaining ant colony anywhere without a queen ant. You probably already knew this, but that needs to be laid down as base knowledge.

As for having the colony in the paludarium itself is, in my opinion, risky business. Ants are meat eaters and scavengers by nature, and it's not unheard of having ants attack a bigger creature because the critter was in the ants territory. Even one bite from an ant can cause damage to a little frog, especially if the bite is around the eyes. Granted, tiny black ants won't cause that much damage, but still- they bite.

As for soil, ants don't really have a preference as long as it isn't soggy, compacted, or too loose for building tunnels. Bark and logs are often liked, especially when they touch ground.

The thing about ants is that they store food, and in a wet environment, this can encourage mold and fungus to grow. They need some sort of meat in their diets. They'll eat dogfood, chicken feed, freshly dead insects, live insects, certain fungus (which some common ants will "farm" underground, etc. However, the "colony" won't be able to sustain itself unless you consistantly add to their numbers and have good hiding spots for them.

To top off my rambling though, I wouldn't suggust it due to ants natural ability to inflict pain.
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Old 12-07-2009, 09:01 PM
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ants are carnivorous and in an enclosed environment where there is no escape for the frog the ants would likely eventually feast on the frog leaving you a carcass and a lot of questions. this has been covered before and if you find the discussion you'll see the video of a gecko being eaten to bare bones in (i believe) under 12 hours.
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thanks for your input. I figured that it was probably a no go. The one thing I truely hadnt considered was that ants do store their food which would without a doubt cause mold. Thank you for bringing this to mind. I just wanted to see if anyone had tried it and the results. Doesnt sound pleasant. thanks again.
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Another thing, since it is a paludarium, the ants would probably drown or sink...
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I'm sure that you've figured out something else by now, Mitch, but did you ever consider a colony of termites? If you are 100% sure that you can keep them contained, that might be a viable option in a large enough palu. I believe that termites are a natural prey for the darts, are they not?
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Termites are a very popular suplimental feeder, but also very high in fat. I wouldn't make them a staple I would compare it to MC Donald's morn , noon and nite= obese

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