Housing Tigers Together.

[spend_day]

OK so I know of a few people who house there tigers in groups and I'm considering making a tiger salamander set-up with 2 or 3 in it.

But first (as always) I have some questions

1. Would 48"x12"x18" (LxWxH) be big enough for 3 tiger salamanders? (I'm fairly sure it will I just want conformation)
2. I currently have 1 female A, tigrinum. Now I've asked my local reptile shop to find out the species of tiger salamanders they can order in, and I know a couple other shops in my area can get A, mavortium, (please I don’t want a massive debate) can these 2 species be housed together? I know they were for a long time considered 1 species, I'm also aware of the general risks of housing tigers together, but are there any more risks or an increased risk i should be aware of with putting these 2 species together? has any1 had any experience with housing these 2 species together.
3. Can people tell me there experience’s housing tigers together?
4. Any pictures of set-ups?

thanks

[Hiide]

48x12x18 should be enough for 3 Tiger salamanders of the same species.

However, I do not reccommend 3 animals of any kind housed together, as breeding pairs are normal to occur and males will, yes, WILL fight for female attention. This being said, if you plan on housing 3 Salamanders together, get 1 male and 2 females.. Fighting may still occur, I would just watch them.

Do not mix species unless you are aware of the consequences. These salamanders are aggressive when it comes to hunting for food and will bite eachother's limbs, so I would stick with the same species.

As for Tiger salamander set ups, just use Google. No need in being lazy asking other people to do the research work you should put in yourself.


Cage temperature: 65-70F, should not rise above 75F or drop below 60F (For Tiger Salamanders and all other Salamanders), Larva should be kept at the same Temperatures, but with only about 6inches of water
Humidity Levels: 70% and higher, not to extend 80% for air flow (Be sure there is no stagnant air, possibly installing a fan for circulation)
Feeding: Crickets every other day (Or Earthworms), 5-6 a feeding, twice a week for an adult Salamander (Do not leave extra feeding items in the Aquarium)
Substrate extras to Avoid: Perlite, vermiculite, small pieces of bark, or gravel, and be sure to check the substrate PH level, that it is not too low! (6.5)
*Note: Do not get any Silicone items that contain “Mold Inhibitor” and a 5% bleach solution is okay to clean enclosures if it is completely washed off.

[spend_day]

Originally Posted by Hiide

48x12x18 should be enough for 3 Tiger salamanders of the same species.

However, I do not recommend 3 animals of any kind housed together, as breeding pairs are normal to occur and males will, yes, WILL fight for female attention. This being said, if you plan on housing 3 Salamanders together, get 1 male and 2 females.. Fighting may still occur, I would just watch them.

Well there tiger sals so breeding isn’t a worry (only 2 natural indoor breeding recorded) and male tiger salamanders don't really fight over females but can over breeding pools (again with the not breeding in captivity) and i am aware of the risks day to day feeding and aggression

Originally Posted by Hiide

Do not mix species unless you are aware of the consequences. These salamanders are aggressive when it comes to hunting for food and will bite eachother's limbs, so I would stick with the same species.

Well until sometime in the mid 1990's they were considered the same species, still occupy the same geological ranges, and in the wild there is wide spread interbreeding between the 2 species (making it almost impossible to 100% confirm what species you have without dna tests, but you can usually give it a good guess) which is why I questioned it.

Originally Posted by Hiide

As for Tiger salamander set ups, just use Google. No need in being lazy asking other people to do the research work you should put in yourself.

I already keep a tiger salamander (and other ambystoma species) I was mearly looking for some inspreation on larger enclosures, when keeping just one tiger most people just use a tank or plastic tub filled with soil/coco coir/moss and a large water dish and a hide i was hoping for some ideas on how to make a larger more athetically pleasing set-up.

Originally Posted by Hiide

Cage temperature: 65-70F, should not rise above 75F or drop below 60F (For Tiger Salamanders and all other Salamanders), Larva should be kept at the same Temperatures, but with only about 6inches of water
Humidity Levels: 70% and higher, not to extend 80% for air flow (Be sure there is no stagnant air, possibly installing a fan for circulation)
Feeding: Crickets every other day (Or Earthworms), 5-6 a feeding, twice a week for an adult Salamander (Do not leave extra feeding items in the Aquarium)
Substrate extras to Avoid: Perlite, vermiculite, small pieces of bark, or gravel, and be sure to check the substrate PH level, that it is not too low! (6.5)
*Note: Do not get any Silicone items that contain “Mold Inhibitor” and a 5% bleach solution is okay to clean enclosures if it is completely washed off.

Funnily enough i know about all of the above. i currently keep 5 caudata species

[Hiide]

Well, it sounds like you already knew everything you needed to know.

[Allyn]

We keep four tiger salamanders together with no problems at the museum I intern at. There is about 6sqft floor space in their enclosure so they have plenty of room, but 90% of the time they hang out in a little pack a couple inches away from each other. they also tend to sleep together. They have all been housed together for over five years. they are fed separately so there is no competition for food. oh and there are 2 males and 2 females. I say go for it from my experience they have proven to be very social animals that do very well together.

[froggsong]

Wow, that lazy comment was a little too much. Hiide, please try to be more polite in the future.

[hukilausurfer]

Im currently keeping my two Arizona Tigers together and they seem to be fine together. I actually found them together in my neighbors water meter which was really wierd.

[beckdg]

allyn... good answer... nice 6' and they're still bed mates... lol...

spend... i think you'll be ok... i'm no expert and you know about personalities... just have enough materials handy in case i think would be good advice

[spend_day]

Just a little update I've managed to get my hands on another eastern tiger salamander(A,tigrinum same species as the one i already have), it's currently in quarantine. I keep meaning to start work on the 4 footer as it needs a good clean and a slight repair job before i even think about starting to make my set-up and i know the works just going to snowball once i start lol. im also having trouble sourcing hydroleca and i want to get some moss growing in part of the tank before i add the tigers. im also stockpiling decent looking fake plants

[beckdg]

i'm sure someone has leca lying around... maybe post an add in the NEW section... just a thought... congrats on the new guy!