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Old 03-15-2010, 07:56 AM
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@ epiphile & newsalt-
thanx so much for the suggestions. as usual, i am constantly humbly learning from the experienced on this forum-
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Old 03-15-2010, 11:18 AM
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Last summer I got a fish tank similar in size from a friend who, like yours, kept it outside for a few years. The tank was full of spiderwebs, tree leaves and all sorts of grime dried onto the bottom sections of glass. After testing for leaks, I'd put in a solution of 50/50 water and white vinegar, and let it sit a few hours. I drained the tank, wiped away whatever came off with paper towel alone, then used the vinegar to soak more paper towel and got the rest of the tough spots. Next time though, I think I might try the half lemon scrub. Just to compare.
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Old 03-15-2010, 01:23 PM
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when using ge silicone II try to avoid kitchens and bath if you can.

fallenangelfyre... if you need more drastic measures to get something off of your glass let me know. i don't post my drastic measures unless they're absolutely necessary because they come with a heavy disclaimer but they work and i have a 50 gallon tank full of healthy fish and plants to prove it.
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Old 03-15-2010, 06:34 PM
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when using ge silicone II try to avoid kitchens and bath if you can.

fallenangelfyre... if you need more drastic measures to get something off of your glass let me know. i don't post my drastic measures unless they're absolutely necessary because they come with a heavy disclaimer but they work and i have a 50 gallon tank full of healthy fish and plants to prove it.
crapola. i literally just got back from HD with GE silicone II kitchen & bath. on the packaging it does claim to be mold & mildew resistant, but i could find no mention of the addition of any mold inhibitors, so i just assumed that it is "mildew resistant" because it is silicone.
while i was at HD i was wandering the lighting section brainstorming how i'm going to rig up the lighting. this is what i have in mind- i will build a small canopy (maybe 36" W x 4" H x 4" D) with some 6" flashing that i have. spray paint that black. install 2-3 bulb sockets w/ their own plug-in cord and interuptor. then 4, 5, or 6 LED's with their own plug-in cord and interuptor as well as a dimmer. add a couple timers into the mix, and walah! the bulb sockets will house the CFL's for daytime light, LED's for night-time viewing.

beck, i will keep in mind that you have drastic measures to offer if it comes to it. thanks-

so i placed my order for the backpiece of glass. total came to $75 for the 1/4" glass with 4 holes drilled into it and they will knock the sharp edges off. sadly it will take 3-4 days before they will have it ready for me. so i'm going to tape a piece of cardboard onto the tank where the backpiece would be and start laying out and carving my stryofoam.
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trim just sitting on the existing glass.


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i'm pretty sure you can still use the silicone but you'll have to give it at least a couple weeks to be sure the "inhibitors" are properly aged.

looks like you won't be needing any drastic measures after all. tank looks great.

so, the glass itself was about $35 plus $10 a hole? sounds about right... maybe a couple dollars more than i'd pay at my local shop, but nothing drastic.

painting that flashing flat white might be your best bet for reflection. i hear killz primer gives the best reflecting surface but have not tested it myself.
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looks like you won't be needing any drastic measures after all. tank looks great.
yeah- i've got it pretty dang clear, but there is still a ghost line where the top of the water/debri was. you can see it in the pic- it's kinda milky-white. meh- after starting to lay out the BG, 95% (if not all) of it will be covered.

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painting that flashing flat white might be your best bet for reflection. i hear killz primer gives the best reflecting surface but have not tested it myself.
kudos. that was my plan. i was going to paint the outside black to blend with the trim, inside gloss white for reflection.
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UPDATE

so i finally got my piece of glass today (they quoted me 3-4 days, took 7). anyway, i did one more cleaning of the existing glass first with just a multi-purpose cleaner, then with rubbing alcohol where the new silicone will go to make sure there was no left over residue from anything. then, siliconed it in place. i ran into one minor problem. as i have never siliconed glass together before, i didn't know how large a bead to run to ensure that i get full coverage while not getting a lot of excess silicone oozing out of the seems. as advice to any other's trying their hand, i would go ahead and use enough to make sure that you get full coverage, then go back and wipe away the excess as i undershot it and only got about 90% coverage.







so now i must wait the 24 hours for it to cure, then will run a large bead of silicone along the inside of the joints, smooth it out with a wet finger, then the construction of the faux rock wall/hardscape begins.
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so long as you're turning it you don't have to worry about that bottom but you can never use that tank to hold a full load of water again with the glass on that way. it would have to go inside the perimeter glass to hold water again.

a good idea... take an old credit card and a 2 liter bottle cap. put the cap on the card touching 2 edges and trace a line around the cap to the edges and cut along that line. then use that corner you made to press and smooth the silicone in place.

total necessity, just in case... cut away all the new silicone once it's dry from the inside. silicone does not stick to dry silicone and you'll need as much bonding surface clear as you can get on the glass for a re-seal.

another tip i've seen people be successful with... take blue painters tape and put it 1/4" from the corner all the way around, apply the silicone, let it sit, cut the silicone along the edge of the tape and remove the tape for straighter lines.
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huh. excellent tips. i'm not too worried about anything though, as this will definitely never be used to hold water again (holes drilled into the bottom), and the grout rock wall BG will comletely cover all those seems as well, so i don't have to worry about critter escapes.
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finally an UPDATE:

firstly i'd like to apologize ahead of time for the poor quality pics. they were taken at night in my basement. ok, so basically since the last time i posted i ran the bead of silicone around the inside corner of the new piece of glass installed on the back and smoothed it with my finger. then cut some screen and siliconed that in place over the air flow vents. let that all cure for 24 hours.





then started cutting/shaping/carving styrofoam for the faux rock wall backround.






my girlfriend had this sweet little tool that carves styrofoam. it has a plastic handle with a thin metal rod that extends out maybe 6" that gets really hot. it basically just melts the styrofoam, but it is very versatile. you can see it in the bottom, right of the pic above (she says she got it at hobby lobby for about $30 if anyone is interested). the small hole in the bottom, left of the backround is for wiring access for either a hidden temp probe, or flexwatt if i decide to use that for belly heat rather than a UTH, or both. a pic of it from the back of the tank:



*found a close up of the styrofoam carver:



on the middle vent i put a ledge in front of it, then carved an arch/hide thingy out of a block of styrofoam to sit on top of the ledge for a little built-in hide:









another small ledge in front of the far left vent/arch (there are actually ledges all over from top to bottom):



anyway, here it is pretty much done:



let's see, couple more small things.
i don't know if you can tell from the pic above, but the very bottom edge of the faux backround is very uniform and straight with no jutting edges. this is so i can try my concrete underlayment/grout substrate idea i mentioned a few posts ago.
on the top, between the two arches of the left and middle vents is the spoiled boy's name who will inhabit this terrerarium:



on the left side of the tank is another built-in hide that is actually removable:





on the inside edge i hot-glued some small dowells in that will sit in holes so there is no chance of it falling over on the boy:







on the right side of the pic is a homemade desert reed decoration thingy. i bought a pack of these reeds at hobby lobby for about $4. you actually get quite a bit. they are about four feet long with about 15 of them in the pack. anyway i just cut them down and hot-glued them into a small piece of styrofoam that i will grout over later:





also made my own calcium powder/mealworm dish that i will grout later:



lastly i made a humid-hide. bought a pack of cheap tupperware containers at wally world, hot-glued styrofoam all over it, used the carving wand to cut a hole in it. again, will be grouted later:





it's quite hard with the light and poor quality of the pics to see what the actual shape is. will look ten times better after grout-



along with the reeds, scored this bleached willow that should fit in well with the desert theme. not quite sure yet how i will use them. also got acrylic paint, mod podge to seal, sand to throw on the mod podge for grip, and some sponges and a brush for the paint:







whew! that was long-winded. what do you guys think?
next step will be several layers of grout, then painting, then sealed with mod podge. sand tossed on the mod podge for grip. will probably be another month or so again for the next update.
i also recently bought some rivets for my rivet gun, and the bulb sockets to build and start wiring my light hood. just need the led's (can't find them anywhere locally, will have to go to the net for those), dimmers, and timers. this is getting expensive!
after that, make the concrete underlayment/grout substrate. as well as order the retaining wall and sliding glass doors, and the track, and install all that. i wonder if i'll ever finish this thing? maybe by the end of summer?
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