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Old 01-22-2011, 04:29 AM
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For the last few months, I have been slowly gathering supplies/materials to start working on a new vivarium. My Intention is: A “triptych”, 12 line-output drip manifold-(intended for multiple uses), false bottom, rock relief focused, hopefully to house undetermined pdf . I have not seen a ton of work in rock reliefs in vivariums. I personally wanted to stay away from Incan, Mayan, Aztec, Buddhist, etc - typical tropical/jungle/rain forest rock reliefs. For those who are not familiar, its carvings in rock walls or stone slabs.

I did want some thing kind of epic looking, (that would stand out), yet not be out of place... I'm hoping to bring some new ideas to the proverbial table. Or at least some renewed interest in an purely artistic area of vivarium construction methods and applications. That said...

What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done,
and there is nothing new under the sun. Ecclesiastes 1:9

I have been so inspired by so many threads on vivarium forum.
I hope to repay “brethren” over time in the same way

I started with a the focal point, (or so I hope), of the vivarium... The first thing I did was sculpted out my clay,($7 at las). I ended up using a plastic base to sculpt off of. It ensured that when the clay dried and shrank it would crack and give more character to my relief. I'm hoping to get some growth eventually into the areas of “designed decay”.

I got it to where I wanted it, then started the cast.


There is a lot of great info out there on methods and uses of casting and mold making... I wanted to make a mold because I have never done one before, and I also was not 100% on the product that I was going to use for the relief(s). Having a mold to pour/paint various mediums into proved to be a great call on my part

The method I chose was due to the availability/ price point. I used liquid latex, ($15 at las), to make the mold. Obviously, make sure you are wearing eye protection, not glasses, but goggles. The ammonia in the latex is not to be messed w/.

You start by painting on a very thin even first coat onto your sculpted clay. Ensuring that you don't have any air bubbles. In between layers use a hair dryer on high, somewhat close to the mold. Dry until the color of your chosen product is uniform throughout. Also be sure to wash the brush out in between layers, w/ soap and cold water. Paint the next layers a little thicker than the first layer, for the next set of layers. For smaller molds, you can do less layers. Larger ones require 10+ and reinforcement, to boot.

Here it is about 8 layers into the process.


12 layers in I used cheap cotton gauze to reinforce the mold.


The mold w/ 14 layers.


Inside


I originally intended on using something lighter, like Plaster of Paris,($7 at lhs). Then I made a mold of it solid, and it still weighed a bit too much. So, I used a plastic base to cast off of, then broke it free after it had set up. I'll obviously have to paint & seal the Plaster of Paris, if I end up using it in the viv.

Here is a plaster one.


My plan is to have at least one face inside the vivarium. Maybe two - one on the left wall, and one on the right wall. With moss, and plants mounted on and around, to simulate an ancient vibe These will be one of the focal points, & I'm looking to do a really densely planted viv. So I'll position them close to the front glass for visibility...

Here is my set up for a concrete version.


I used a Quikrete product,($6 at lhs), that is made for under 1” thick applications. I also used a Quikrete acrylic binder,($7 at lhs), to help set up. I used a brown paint pigment, (FREE at lhs), not paint, to tint the concrete.

Thanks to beckdg for great info in this thread These are my options for concrete which one to use? - Vivarium Forums about treating concrete. I went for soaks not mists though I wanted to find out early on if she was going to break. So far so good.

First of many baths


More to come
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Looks great! I cant wait to see how everything turns out!
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Old 01-23-2011, 04:58 PM
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Now to my enclosure. I have been wanting to do a larger, (40 gal +), vertical conversion tank for about a year now. Unfortunately, I could not find it all cheap, & used. I did however find an Exo Terra for $70 on craigslist three days ago.

So my shell will be an Exo Terra PT2607 Small/ Tall 18” x 18” x 24”, (WxDxH)

I was excited about the price, but Goodnight!


Not only did it have duct tape gooies all over the broken and burned lid/ top... But the screen was all ripped out, (which I would have done anyway), and three out of four screen lock tabs were broken!


The most haggard, jacked up terrarium I have ever seen used! Of course I bought it, ha ha! This thing had so many different types of tape strapped to it, inside and out. It even had some florescent pink paint scribbles on the outside. Needless to say, It took a bit to clean her off/ out.

Of course the worst was finding a CRACK. One I did not see in the parking lot of a sleazy motel! Classic craigslist meet up!


All that aside... I sealed it, gave it 24 hours, tested it for water tightness. Now I'm good to go.

Next I busted out my 1 1/8" Diamond coated hole saw that I bought, ($30 at local glass shop), for my 2nd viv build. If you have not taken a look, here she be Ma77hew7's 2nd Build - Zoo Med NT-4 - Vivarium Forums

I'm into how nice this one turned out, PERFECT !!! - imho. For a great video tutorial on how to drill a glass hole... Check out Drilling GH - from Glass-Holes.com w/ the volume off, LOL!



1 1/2 bulkhead thread x thread, (lps for $6). Brass fitting 1/2" thread to a 3/8" barb, (lhs for $3), wrapped w/ Teflon tape.


Next update should include the background & the fun stuff
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Looking good man! cant wait to see this face in the viv! add some moss cover over it and it will look like something straight out of the jungle!
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I love your other tank and cant wait to see this one! Your first was a big inspiration for my viv so i cant wait to see this one.

If done right i think this could look beyond amazing! It makes me want to tear down all the work i have done making my viv and starting over. lol Soo many ideas!
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Looking good man! cant wait to see this face in the viv! add some moss cover over it and it will look like something straight out of the jungle!
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Thanks! Me too , I'm hoping it will do great. I might drill out a few places & plant some spores under it too. Just for good measure...

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I love your other tank and cant wait to see this one! Your first was a big inspiration for my viv so i cant wait to see this one.

If done right i think this could look beyond amazing! It makes me want to tear down all the work i have done making my viv and starting over. lol Soo many ideas!
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Thanks, that makes me happy! I'm glad to be contributing! Vivarium forum is, (as it were in the 90's) - Dope!!! Ha, ha it's late. I better stop...

Don't tear down. Just take note of things you want to do next time. Then plan out another one, and build. One thing I'm learning still, that you can't have 10 pounds of stuff, in a 2 pound enclosure. Wait, that analogy doesn't work w/ vivariums because technically you could have 10 pounds of stuff, in a 2 pound enclosure... Ha, ha. OK, I'll stop. But seriously... I do have a hard time with "10 pounds" of ideas going into an enclosure that can't support the functionality of the ideas... That's what my verbose response was a kin to describing. Try to narrow in on the best that will complete the vision you intend, when in doubt ask around here

I'm trying to get enough work done to post a decent update, soon...
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Where to begin? I started this viv background out w/ lots of inspiration. I want to give props to some people who have inspired me into this endeavor. Firstly, I KNOW he has inspired many on Vivarium Forum, and his home at Dendroboard. I just wanted to pay credit where it is due, & take my hat off to Raf.

I have stared at his - “Pics my new constructed vivarium” thread many times last year... That being said, I like the technical/ sealant changes in Grimm's newer similar builds,(thanks to froggsong for the method). They also look great.

Although, for the record... I have not enjoyed the process of the Titebond III method thus far. It is by far the messiest, time consuming, and frustrating method I have tried. One can't knock it till you've tried it, ha ha. So for sake of my sanity I will press on, hoping that it will be all it's cracked up to be.

What I like about the Silicone method, is that you press the background material of choice onto the freshly applied Silicone. So, by way of mounds of coco, bark, etc... One can get a lot of the background applied in a rather timely manner. In doing so, be satisfied that at least one layer is covered. That luxury is not possible w/ the Titebond III method.

I've had a lot of “research” staring at many images of roots. I love the Banyan tree! I'll see one in person someday. I normally print out reference pics for builds, on this one even more so.

So I started w/ a lot of cords/lines, as follows; 75 gph pump, (lgs for $12 on sale), Hydor underwater heater, (amazon for $14), 12 output lines for the drip manifold, (lhs for $13), the siphon tube/ input line for external filter.

I don't have a picture prior to the start of the Titebond III application.

Here is partial 1st layer.

(Lights for help w/ the ridiculous cure time)
Partial 1st layer other view


Close up of major root structure, (so far anyway).


I initially felt a little overwhelmed with the amount of hiding I had to do. I wanted to make sure that the water would not come out too fast... So, I mounted the manifold about 2/3 the way up the tank, instead of near the top. That way the lines would have to wind upwards to the locations around the tank and would allow for the water to slow, hopefully a little at least. That combined w/ the lower gph pump & a little mod in the tube end... Will do the trick, I hope.

I used a variety of diameter scrap pvc pipe that I had laying around. “Heat bent” some, and used small cut portions of others glued to form bends. Built the larger portions w/ the pipe, then gs foamed it. Making sure to foam the ends, (so no one sneaks away & dies). I was forced to break off most root extensions to coat them. Will re-stick later, ha ha. For the record, building root structures inside the viv is much harder than outside.


Here is a trough full of root sections.




I used ground moist peat moss for the basis of the root structures. I used a mix of ground moist coco, peat moss, and sphagnum moss for the forest walls around the root structures. In a hope to help distinguish the background by way of color.

2nd layer in close up




I wanted to have more done for this post... It's just taking too long, and I'm writing too much.
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$70 for an exo terra is a steal. However, I can top that; I found on craigslist for $20. its looking good
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