Research to Find HabaCrete Alternative

[Greg H.]

Originally Posted by beckdg

side note... i would think that plaster would need one because of the potential heat issue during curing (as in don't make a cast of your leg out of it). since habacrete does mention heating during curing that does suggest a link there. in that case it would be "potentially hazardous" and require an msds to be produced upon request regardless of purchase.

There was a case in England where a girl ( about 12 IIRC ) had to have most of her fingers amputated, because they were burned so bad, because she was making a plaster cast of her hands in art class.

As a side note, have you seen the information about concrete cloth?

Like plaster impregnated bandages but made with cement. Form it into shape wet it down and in 24hrs later you have a water and fire proof object.

Concrete Canvas - Rapidly Deployable Infrastructure

I have been looking at that and thinking how it might make for a fast waterproof background.

[beckdg]

looks a bit much for a viv going by what i've seen so far (just a once over the site).

other than the pre hardened samples have you looked into small quantities? or where to get them?

[froggsong]

I'd think you could probably make that yourself, somehow.

[Greg H.]

Originally Posted by beckdg

looks a bit much for a viv going by what i've seen so far (just a once over the site).

other than the pre hardened samples have you looked into small quantities? or where to get them?

They are in the UK, so shipping would be a killer, and I have not found that it's licensed to any US companies yet.

Originally Posted by froggsong

I'd think you could probably make that yourself, somehow.

I was thinking about that - The closest that I have come up with so far would be something like the old plaster and cloth technique, to make a shell over a form - egg crate would work for making the form, but the closest I have come to a durable cloth would be the netting that onions or a turkey would come bagged in.

[fc3schick87]

Originally Posted by Greg H.

There was a case in England where a girl ( about 12 IIRC ) had to have most of her fingers amputated, because they were burned so bad, because she was making a plaster cast of her hands in art class.

As a side note, have you seen the information about concrete cloth?

Like plaster impregnated bandages but made with cement. Form it into shape wet it down and in 24hrs later you have a water and fire proof object.

Concrete Canvas - Rapidly Deployable Infrastructure

I have been looking at that and thinking how it might make for a fast waterproof background.

With the concrete cloth u have to think what is in it. Is it non toxic and will it not leak out chemicals if used in water or with water falls.

Originally Posted by beckdg

looks a bit much for a viv going by what i've seen so far (just a once over the site).

other than the pre hardened samples have you looked into small quantities? or where to get them?

I'm not sure if you have been keeping up with all my terribly long posts but yes I've ordered a few things, waiting on them to come in.

I could not make phone calls yesterday because something came up, I can't devote every day to this but ill be trying to make time to make those calls today to ask about the perma stone non toxic, water resistant plaster.

I'm sending this post with my cell phone because I am not home, haven't been since early yesterday so I haven't been able to really research all that well since Tuesday.

[beckdg]

fc... been following, and my fault for not specifying, but that response/question was to greg h. do what you gotta do... the site will be here.

[fc3schick87]

PERMA STONE!!!


well well well so i made some calls to the 2 companies in question and may i say one was very nice one was a lil bit rude but dont worry the nice one is the answer


ACTIVA brand acni certified perma-stone is the answer

its a quick set plaster that is non toxic and weather proof/water proof. it sets up and is de-moldable in 30 min (meaning hard enough to work with in 30 min)


i am working with the supplier who is also in texas

they are about 5 hours north of me and this means shipping wont be to expencive at all for me to get 50lb bags. if i do so then i can distribute it to you guys for as cheep as i possibly can if any one wants to take me up on that offer.

so..... habacrete can kiss our butts. i have found a non toxic, water/weather proof solution to habacrete.


and guess what , its not 10$ a pound


field testing pending. i'm heading to a local hobby store to pick up a small quantity of it. but guess what, the company offered to send me a sample too! so they are very cool!

[beckdg]

that sounds fantastic... i had a feeling it would be the powder product. after all habacrete is a powder. plus i'm quite a bit more hesitant with pre-mixed liquid product.

[fc3schick87]

Originally Posted by beckdg

that sounds fantastic... i had a feeling it would be the powder product. after all habacrete is a powder. plus i'm quite a bit more hesitant with pre-mixed liquid product.

actually i didnt know dura-wax perma-stone was a liquid product. i was using my phone to do the searching for the last 2 days and i didnt find the correct info for dura-wax perma stone. which is a floor sealant and it is liquid.


so the obvious answer is activa's permastone. there may be other products out there that are identical in ingredients and different companies sell it but for now i'm taking a rest on this research tossing up my hat and saying perma stone by activa is the answer untill further research or notice goes against everything permastone is

which i highly doubt.

[froggsong]

Ok, so after field testing, how much will you be charging /lb?