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Old 01-25-2010, 07:27 PM
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Default Dwarf Mondo Grass or Kyoto

I know that every pet store sells this as an aquatic plant and I've seen them for sale through Black Jungle under the aquatics and marginal section.

Yet every website I've come across says its only to be used in well drained soil.

Am I missing something???

I would like to use it in a water section for my upcoming project. I'm not looking to submerse it. just use it as a sort of shallow pond plant.

If this won't work I am up for suggestions for a good substitute of a Mariginal aqautic plant that won't grow higher than 6 inches or so.


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Old 01-25-2010, 08:21 PM
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From my reading, it doesn't appear as though it's an aquatic plant at all. Perhaps it'd do well emersed- I'm not sure.

There are plenty that'll do well under six inches, either way- there are lots of interesting forms, too. Were you stuck on a sort of grass-like plant? Lilaeopsis and Sagittaria might be good places to start. I can't claim to have any experience with these, either, but I'm finding that most plants sold for aquariums grow well out of water, if a little differently.
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Ok- here's the deal with big-chain petstores aquatic plants. As long as the plant can survive in water for about two-three months, then it is deemed "aquatic." ESPECIALLY if it is a cheep plant that they can pawn off. Most of the time the people in charge who sell them don't have a clue that they arn't true aquatic plants, and so they get put in with the other stuff.

Dwarf mondo grass is an amazing ground cover for filling in the front garden beds of houses- it is very short, EVERGREEN *cheers*, bears small flowers and tiny berries, is not invasive, easy to eradicate if need be, and amazingly durable. It can be used for light foot traffic and never needs a pruning. Oh- and it can grow in areas too shady for grass to grow. It has tuborous roots that allow it to survive short droughts and dry summers, but can also fair well in constantly damp areas. It will grow faster (though it grows relatively slow in good soil) if planted in well-draining loam (what plant doesn't? lol. Don't answer- that's a joke among gardeng folks...).

Oh- and there is also a color morph called black mondo grass (very original name, eh?). It is a deep purple/red/green color. Kind of interesting, but I'd rather have green.
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I'd say try it- and if you find it starts to yellow too much then take it out and plant it in your garden or use it for a shallow-bowl house plant. Either way it is a fantastic plant and will always have a place in my gardens because of its beautiful and pleasing characteristics.

It does have a clumping/colonizing habit, so if it fairs well you may want to split it every year or two after the plant has become established. When the plants have been in one place for five years or so then they tend to look as if they are growing on top of each other. Here are some pictures of gardens/etc of where mondo grass has been a great addition:

patio patterning

DMG with berries

DMG showing berry and root tubers- these havn't had need to store water apparently- they are not thick like they are in my plants that are planted in the dry areas of my garden

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Other than that, moneywort (Lysimachia nummularia, or Lysimachia nummularia 'Aurea'
is a nice one) might be a nice choice...

and this link may give you more ideas: groundcovers

Or you could just go to a pond and look around the edges, take a couple snippings of some "weeds" and try them out- you'll probably have to do a lot of trimming

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Old 01-25-2010, 10:14 PM
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dwarf sag or sagitaria subulata ver. nana
sagitaria subulata
vallisneria nana
Eleocharis acicularis (dwarf hairgrass)
needleleaf java fern or microsorum pteroptus ver. needleleaf
echinodorus tenellus or helianthum tenellus

all the above are common plants known in the aquarium hobby. they could be considered grass like. heights will vary and i know for sure some of them will bend when they hit the surface like the valisneria for certain. the fern will stay upright as it breaks the water but the leaves may be a little wider then you want and i'm totally clueless as to it's emersed form. ver. windelov might be a better fit if it's in maybe 4" to 6" of water because the top fans out and may look almost grass like just breaking the surface, idk.

i hear chia pet (i don't know the scientific name) will grow totally submersed so that may be an option. someone here knows the name... or you can search chia pet on the site.

you can look into grass seeds for wetter areas. i'm sure someone here knows a bit more about grass seed than i do.
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There are two plants that come to mind that work for partially submerged to marginal settings. One is Acorus. This genus tends to be marginal with seasonal flooding but handles soggy soil well. There are several varieties with some small varieties. Here is a link to one: Florida Aquatic Nurseries - Aquarium Plant - Dwarf Acorus (Acorus gramineus var. 'pusillus')

The other is Cryptocoryne lucens. This is a plant that can handle deeper water but will grow emersed or with its leaves sticking out of the water. Emersed forms tend to be shorter than the aquatic forms. If you purchase a Cryptocoryne you will most likely get a plant that has been kept entirely underwater. Such as here:
Cryptocoryne lucens | Cryptocoryne | Live Aquarium Plants | Aquarium Livestock - ThatPetPlace.com
But many occur in wet areas that are subject to flooding and do very well as emersed plants as long as the substrate is wet. Check this link for images of natural stands:
Visit the Cryptocoryne habitats in Sarawak : Aquatic Plant Central
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thanks for filling in there terrestrial_man. i can't believe i overlooked crypts... and i looked over that exact same link too. lol
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Wow you guys are quick and really good lol.

I like the Cryptocoryne lucens.

I'm sorry i wasn't real clear on my orignal post. I'm planning on doing a 10 vert with a false bottom with a shallow 3- 4 inch pool of water.

So i'm looking for I guess a semi aquatic that can be planted in water with gravel. That won't grow To tall.

I would go for bog plants but most bog plants need deeper water or they grow to tall.

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