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Old 09-17-2010, 05:46 AM
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im browsing through the site and i come across a substrate thread. and i read that there is mixes for substrates? is just having coco fiber bad? or should i go and start all over and mix? help! lol

i have been busy and i stopped building enclosures..my last viv died. and now i want to start over. when i came back i feel like i forgot everything i've learned!!!
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some people use just straight peat and they find it works well, but IMHO straight peat or coir doesnt have enough aeration (sp?) so I make a mix... its all your choice... here's a mix that works well for me:

2 part peat
1 part orchid bark
2 parts sphagnum moss
1 part charcoal
1 part sand
2 parts chopped leaves
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some people use just straight peat and they find it works well, but IMHO straight peat or coir doesnt have enough aeration (sp?) so I make a mix... its all your choice... here's a mix that works well for me:

2 part peat
1 part orchid bark
2 parts sphagnum moss
1 part charcoal
1 part sand
2 parts chopped leaves
I like that mixtue. I might even mix it up for my current viv and see how it works. Mind if I add it to my stickie substrate thread?
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And as for the original question. A straight coco fiber substrate will have a ton of water retention and wont promote the best growth. If you havent done to much planting yet I would just go try and find some of the ingredients Boabab listed and mix it into the existing co-co.
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I like that mixtue. I might even mix it up for my current viv and see how it works. Mind if I add it to my stickie substrate thread?
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Good info above. The different ingredients provide different beneficial characteristics. You want a balance between moisture retention and drainage. All coco fiber or all sphagnum moss - or both together will hold too much moisture and make the bottom wet. Some frogs can't tolerate being wet all the time. They can get infections.

Also, you want a balance between organic matter that breaks down quickly versus that which persists longer. The chopped leaves break down more quickly than the sphagnum or orchid bark (usually bark from fir trees). This provides nutrients for the plants, but if you have too much, it turns to mush.

The larger pieces (orchid bark - sometimes substituted with coconut husk chunks) keep the substrate from compacting too much and helps with drainage.

Finally, the sand and charcoal promote drainage and serve to make the substrate more suited to growing microfauna, like springtails, that help break down the poo from the animals and keep the fungi (mold and shrooms) under control.

I have a thread on clay-based substrate, but that's a whole different set of ingredients. I've used blends similar to that listed above and at least one of my vivs is 3 years old and I've never had any trouble with the frogs or plants.
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oh golly! ok. thanks a bunch guys! where do i get charcoal? lol
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that im not sure... i just got some 1 day, completely forget... all i know is DONT get the briquettes...
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What I did is purchased some substrate called "orchid mix"...It comes with spahgnum, orchib bark, charcoal, and perlite. I just sift through the mix and remove all the perlite and I'm usually left with the correct amounts of everything else.
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no briquettes and perlite..got it! ^__^ thanks sooo much.
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