Want to start vivarium but have questions

[beckdg]

from what i've read it seems more that the toxins of most captive bred pdf's are just eye irritants or subject to more of an allergic reaction type deal. the yellow one i mention is the terriblis (sp?) and from what i understand does not completely lose it's toxicity although i have read of one person who licked theirs and wound up with just a sore throat. i have not been real good lately with keeping up with reference material as i've been spending a lot more of my pc time figuring out and fixing other issues as well as checking product reviews and such. do keep in mind i do hold the info i find from scientific journals and well known breeders in a much higher regard than other info. i will point out that this is another one of those depends on who you are talking to things.

also i think 65%-75% is kinda rock bottom as far as humidity goes for most pdf's. furthermore i think keeping the substrate wet enough for a pdf may cause problems for even a phelsuma... could be wrong on that too.

the interest i referred to was basically you not having an interest in mixing species whereas i do and i base my information searches on that... that may be why i found contradicting stories when it comes to their toxicity. according to what i've read (and i may be incorrect) a w/c tereblis cannot cohabit the same viv as another pdf as they are even too toxic for them whereas c/b have been proven to last atleast some years under the same conditions. i have also read that it takes at least 2 generations to get down to an acceptable level in a tereblis.

chu, like i said i am sorry, but i have been greedy lately and all reference/reading materials i have looked up have been for my own good. therefore i have not worried about keeping it around and yet i am still troubled with at least 125 bookmarks... anything from how to fix the defrost feature on my fridge to how to grow certain plants whether it be aquatic or veggies (my first year... got free topsy turveys) to where to get the rest of the plants/babies i would like to have in my planted tanks with a good quality and price.

[Alex95]

Sorry, I was just trying to help you. I didn't mean to get you mad.

[beckdg]

i can forgive you .

[Chu'Wuti]

the interest i referred to was basically you not having an interest in mixing species

Um, beck, that belief is out of date. See my second post on the thread "Multiple Species in one tank" : Multiple Species in one Tank

Speaking of doing a lot of research lately, I've been doing a LOT of research into geckos, and especially into Phelsuma. Just as examples, according to the Christensons in their book Day Geckos in Captivity, page 44:

P. cepediana and P. guimbeaui require humidity of 80% or more.

There are others, too.

Beck, I'm not arguing with you or picking on you and I don't need any apologies from you. I'm merely trying to learn more--always. I'm a sponge for info, quite honestly. So when someone gives me new info or info that contradicts what I've previously read, I want to learn more more MORE!! Sorry if that's irritating you.

[Alex95]

Sorry, I was just trying to help. Also I did not mean it to sound offensive. I didn't mean to make you mad.
Sorry,
Alex

[Chu'Wuti]

Alex, see my response to your apology on the other thread asking the same question. I personally am not at all offended or angry--we're all learning, here, all the time. Some of us know more than others, and some of us think we know more than others. Those of who think we know more, at times, may often find we have to learn more, as I did a few months ago. As long as you're open to learning more and willing to examine what you think you know in order to assess its validity, you'll be fine.

Hang in there!

[chris lay]

No worries Alex i want offended iether and didnt meen to come off like i was. Constructive criticism from one to another. No harm no foul.

[beckdg]

first off... no, no, no, no, no, no, no... why the heck are you apologizing to me chu?

second off although it seems i am, i am not nor was i mad, a little frustrated cause that mindset seems to be pushed on people whether they agree with it or not. that seems to push people away when they just want to understand... that's all.

third... congrats and welcome to the dark side chu... i had no idea... hmmm, the possibilities!

fourth... "P. cepediana and P. guimbeaui require humidity of 80% or more."
are these guys okay with their substrate being perpetually soaked? since you have looked into them i am curious. and can they be kept with darts (can they put a frogs head in their mouth, or a leg... are they skitzy... will a dart be sufficient of a scare for one to drop a tail)?

hey who thinks they no everything?

[beckdg]

Geckos: everything about selection ... - Google Books

that should help a little.

[Chu'Wuti]

Hey, no fair!! I just ordered a copy of that book last night!

I was only referring to the two species tolerance for high humidity, not specifying whether they'd be safe with PDFs.

I think I'll ask Jon his perspective on this . . .