Want to start vivarium but have questions - Page 3

beckdg · #21 (**permalink**) 06-22-2009, 11:38 PM

yeah, i find things sometimes at the flick of a switch... still cannot find "the art of keeping snakes" by filipe devosjole...(sp?)... the computer always corrects me though so no biggie. i do want to get into it a little though. someone needs to make an e-book out of it!

Captive bred Phelsumas
that might help too... idk? since you like them, i figure maybe it's another way of looking at things or something else to back up your current info... and damn near breeding instructions.

Chu'Wuti · #22 (**permalink**) 06-23-2009, 02:17 PM

Thanks for the link, beck. It's pretty much a rewrite of what the Christensons' have in their book with slight variations. I like gathering as much info from as many sources as I can, though, as different perspectives can be just what I need for solving some particular problem!

Link to The Art of Keeping Snakes by Philippe de Vosjoli on amazon:
Amazon.com: The Art of Keeping Snakes (Herpetocultural Library): Philippe de Vosjoli: Books

When I googled the full book title, I found several sources, e.g., The Art of Keeping Snakes (might be cheaper but add in shipping & handling to compare).

Have fun!

beckdg · #23 (**permalink**) 06-23-2009, 03:29 PM

i appreciate the links, but that was not my purpose. i do not pay for books, movies, music, etc. ... ever. the wife is now finishing up the harry potter series and has recently read the true blood series... there are many more. seems she finishes a SERIES in a week or 2 and then i have to find more. so as you can see normally i have no issues getting them for free... which is one reason why i have about $6000 worth of computer equipment... probably more!

i appreciate the effort, but i get the same things when i search and it frustrates me because i know people read that book, just noone has made an e-book out of it yet... oh well.

EDIT: also, if you look deep enough at the right time you can find the art of keeping snakes (i think used) for as low as $4. i actually considered buying it at that price, but passed on it... maybe i should not have, but oh well.

Chu'Wuti · #24 (**permalink**) 06-23-2009, 03:58 PM

Ahh . . . I understand. I'm afraid I pay for LOTS of books! Partly I must for my academic work, and partly . . . I'm a major bookaholic! My DH & I have cut down some, though, by going to the library more.

Does it have to be an e-book? Or would it be OK to get it through your local library? They might be able to ILL it, or if they can't get it as a loan, you could submit a request that they purchase it. The latter's pretty slow, but it may still be faster than waiting for the e-book!

I've seen de Vosjoli's snake book (since I purchased it) used; I've also seen several of his other books used. The Gecko book you mentioned earlier I'm getting used for $4.00 including S & H--the latter was $3.99 and the book was $0.01. Pretty silly, but we decided the info could be useful, and we haven't found too many credible online sources with a lot of detail. Anyway, it fills my need for more sources of info for more perspectives!

BTW, I printed out the info from that Phelsuma link you posted & read it more thoroughly--the guy's info about species' origins is extremely inaccurate in the sense that he's out of date & woefully understating how many species come from places like Africa. I have been astonished to learn how many desert species there are and the very wide variety of ecological niches these little guys occupy!

beckdg · #25 (**permalink**) 06-23-2009, 04:19 PM

academic work is one thing... there are sites where you can purchase a lot of books from last year students and many universities have a link for just that same thing in their e-library. that helped me immensely when i was in school.

i do not go to the library, so i would have to convince the wife.

although i am very familiar with how they work and if i do go usually have to get them to locate what i am looking for... then they call or email me when they have it if i don't leave with a date.

also... for online sources you have to consider the date and cross reference the info, i agree... but i fall into a different category of person when considering on line, because i actually find whole books from the original author with no issues. i, however cannot just send them to someone through a forum.

i figured some of that info was inaccurate as it seems that persons sole purpose was to breed and/or sell. i assume though it is good reference material when it comes to breeding and a good start to build and learn from... the basics seem to be all there.

beckdg · #26 (**permalink**) 06-23-2009, 04:29 PM

hey chu... try this... pandora.com i know the name sounds bad, but trust me on this, it's a music site. when it comes up type in your favorite musical artist in the space provided and hit enter, or click or whatever. MAKE SURE IT'S A GOOD ARTIST. now tell me that aint great!

chris lay · #27 (**permalink**) 06-23-2009, 04:33 PM

Pandora is AWESOME!!! After you critique it a little bit, give a couple of thumbs down ,couple of thumbs up and youve got your self hours of great music! It gets me thru those awesome mondays in the office.

beckdg · #28 (**permalink**) 06-23-2009, 04:37 PM

how many stations you got chris?

Chu'Wuti · #29 (**permalink**) 06-23-2009, 05:07 PM

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there are sites where you can purchase a lot of books from last year students and many universities have a link for just that same thing in their e-library.

Beck, darlin' . . . I'm WAAAAAY beyond purchasing used textbooks for courses . . . I'm doing doctoral research. That means that 98% of the books I buy are hot off the presses, unfortunately, as I must keep up with current research & writing in my field of study. (or I print reams of paper of articles published in various academic & medical journals--I'm afraid I'm stuck on paper-based reading & commenting, though I'm trying to learn to do more of it on my computer).

Pandora is like batanga.com, which is all kinds of Spanish music--cumbia, salsa . . . if you can name it, it's there. I love listening to lively music from other cultures (lots of international friends have introduced me to their music). Pandora's nice, too--I'm listening to Van Halen right now . . . (it changed to AC/DC just as I hit submit)

Gotta get back to work--cheers!

beckdg · #30 (**permalink**) 06-23-2009, 05:14 PM

i went for computers, so i understand about the new information. sometimes though you can luck out. i don't know at that level though, but every profession has times where there are no major breakthroughs. i just happened to luck out when i was in school because windows xp was still standing strong.